Wednesday, July 14, 2004

Bound by Morality

By Kim Petersen

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  1. You deserve much applause for this piece, Kim. I pray that people will support your efforts/accomplishments.  This Zionist angle that you address, by the way, is why Hollywood (as per our interchanges attached to the “Whoopi” piece) must be viewed, collectively, as a menace to the world. One reason, that is.  Morally yours, RMO

    Posted by O'Xman from  on  07/14  at  11:38 AM

  2. I’ve been watching this web page for about two weeks now, and I see a trend.  It looks like I’m the only person reading any other it other than the authors!  The same guys who write these ugly rants are the guys writing the comments! 

    Sometimes the authors even complement their own articles so it looks like more people are reading:  http://www.pressaction.com/news/weblog/full_article/mclellan04282004/

    How many more of you people are doing this?  Fess up!

    Since I realize that debate or rational discussion are not really possible here, it does my heart good to see that no one else is paying you any attention.

    Posted by Aryeh from  on  07/15  at  02:28 AM

  3. Aryeh-- Right now at about 6:40 a.m. EDT in the United States, 33 people are visiting Press Action. Not a huge number, but not bad for such an early morning hour in the U.S. I’m sure that number of visitors will pick up as the day progresses. A tiny, tiny percentage of the people who visit this site submit a comment. A large number of visitors probably disagree with the point of view contained in many of the articles and move on. Some of these folks will occasionally leave a comment. If you have an opinion on one of the articles, feel free to comment like you did on Jordy Cummings’ recent “Fences and Walls” article. That’s why the comment feature is there. By the way, have you taken Press Action regular contributor Richard Oxman’s advice and reconsidered “letting” your boys do military service?

    Posted by Mark Hand from  on  07/15  at  05:39 AM

  4. On a very hot day in the middle of the 19th century (date?)...in upstate New York...about four or five women met and “began” the “women’s movement” We’ve got a leg up on those gals here...with the setup we have at Press Action...in terms of stirring up some trouble...on many counts.  Good that Mark repeated that Big Q.  Applause for him...and, while I’m at it, Big A for me too!  Huggy doo, Oxydoodle

    Posted by O'Xman from  on  07/15  at  09:17 AM

  5. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think that the Martin/Cotler folks have made a comment on the wall yet?  Have they?  I know that Layton et. al are dead against the wall as are the Bloc...if Martin has said anything, CBC hasn’t reported it.

    Not that I’m a Liberal or anything...but Canada as far as I know does not officially support the wall, and has not been nearly as bad as the States on UN votes in regards to Israel (Trudeau was always accused of being antiIsrael)

    Posted by j cummings from  on  07/15  at  09:18 AM

  6. Yep, Canada doesn’t officially support the wall but it also didn’t support the ICJ deliberations. Here’s a passage from a Haroon Siddiqui column in a February 2004 issue of the Toronto Star.

    “So convoluted is Canada’s position on the Israeli security barrier that it is no longer logical. Ottawa condemns the wall, yet objects to the International Court of Justice considering Palestinian objections that echo Ottawa’s.”

    Posted by Mark Hand from  on  07/15  at  09:48 AM

  7. “We’ve always wanted to be Switzerland”
    Lucien Bouchard in a private conversation with me a few years back.  (Reading Siddiqui makes me regret that I’m a G/M reader, but all in all the Globe is a better local rag than the Star) Given the alternative, I’m not DISSATISFIED with Canada’s position....at least it is more honest than Europe’s.  Europe says “We will make rhetorical statements and support certain things that will only make it harder for us to actually make a difference.” Canada’s rejection of the ICJ ruling is far less of a statement than its not bowing to the will (right now) of the Canada Israel Comittee, etc. whic hare daily haranguing the federal government for sticking to its guns.

    Posted by j cummings from  on  07/15  at  10:33 AM

  8. Catching up late here but wanted to respond to Aryeh by declaring how much I absolutely love all the articles I’ve written for Press Action. No, not “love,” make that: ADORE. My “ugly rants” are by far the prettiest. In fact, I think I am my favorite writer. Yeah...let me see… (time for some “debate or rational discussion” with myself) um, yes, it’s unanimous: I’m the best.

    Time to run: Gotta get a few dozen of my highly paid acolytes to post comments here.

    Posted by Mickey Z. from  on  07/15  at  10:54 AM

  9. Canada has alternatives. Canada can take a stand to oppose ethnic cleansing, genocide, and an apartheid wall in unequivocal terms. To sit on the “fence” is shameful.

    Kudos to Mark for setting up a participatory forum for all to comment—especially the hugmaster.

    Posted by kim from  on  07/15  at  01:18 PM

  10. On one hand, Canada could take that stand - which I want them to make - but I am only contrasting it with Germany and France and Europe that can say anything and push for the ICJ, but will not do a thing to implement those decisions.

    Posted by j cummings from  on  07/15  at  03:23 PM

  11. Theodor Herzl, the founder of the modern Zionist movement: “There (in Palestine) we shall be a sector of the wall of Europe against Asia, we shall serve as the outpost of civilization against barbarism.”

    This racism is being repeated today. American ideologues push the “clash of civilizations”, with Western “Judeo-Christian” culture battling “Islamic barbarism”.

    American leaders declare that Israel is the outpost of Western civilization in the fight against Arab-Muslim “international terrorism”.

    Or, as the rednecks would put it: “#### all ragheads”.

    Posted by Ed Strong from  on  07/16  at  04:14 AM

  12. That was me commenting on my own article.  On my birthday if that’s okay.  It was so obviously an admittedly bad attempt at humor - my article, I think mine was the only comment, there may have been one or two others, it hardly seems worthwhile to comment further.  Astonishing how you detect a pattern out of the anomaly.  I thought about it back then, but this seems like a good time, I apologize for such a poor joke.

    Posted by Tracy McLellan from  on  07/16  at  10:41 PM

  13. PS Two weeks?  That was almost three months ago.

    Posted by Tracy McLellan from  on  07/16  at  10:48 PM

  14. I don’t think anyone ever answered by question --posed elsewhere on this site-- concerning whether or not many in the Save Palestinian camp are interested in the genocide aimed at Native Americans.  If so, how is it being expressed from where you all sit?  Best, O’Xman

    Posted by O'Xman from  on  07/17  at  08:47 PM

  15. Well, I can tell you that I have heard Dr. Ismail Zayid, president of the Canada-Palestine Association speak out in solidarity with First Nations for justice.

    See “The Importance of Solidarity."

    Posted by kim from  on  07/18  at  11:13 PM

  16. Richard,

    The treaties and agreements between the U.S. government and Native American groups that the U.S. ignored or broke recently should be recognized. I’m not well versed on the details of the older agreements that were broken by the U.S. government, but they may be more difficult to recognize. The U.S. government should provide the remaining Native Americans with restitution for the genocide, stolen lands and other atrocities committed against their ancestors. The U.S. government should be spending as much as it can right now to help the sectors of the Native American population who suffer in abject poverty and other dire conditions.

    Unlike Palestinians in Israel and the Occupied Territories, Native Americans today enjoy full rights as U.S. citizens. There is no official U.S. government policy of discrimination against Native Americans as individuals, although as you mention the U.S. government is still refusing to recognize treaties and agreements, e.g. Cobell v. Norton, in which the federal government has failed to to account for billions of dollars belonging to approximately 500,000 American Indians and their heirs, and held in trust since the late 19th century.

    I have not petitioned the government on their behalf or agitated for the U.S. government to recognize treaties with Native Americans. So, certainly I and others could be doing more today to help Native Americans get money that is owed them and to get the U.S. government to recognize recent treaties and agreements. Meanwhile, we also can continue to write about how the U.S. government carried out a policy of genocide against Native Americans and describe how similarly motivated policies are being carried out today by the U.S. government here in the U.S. and around the world.

    Posted by Mark Hand from  on  07/19  at  09:18 AM

  17. Yes, Mark.  Of course, as we all know, they need --as does the Black population-- much more than money.  MUCH more is “owed” to both groups, especially in light of the reparations paid to Jews, acknowledged as legitimate internationally.  Interesting...so interesting...how little revulsion...to cite Ward Churchill’s take on it...has been expressed throughout our history for the Native American abominations and the slavery-related abominations versus what’s been expressed incessantly the so-called Holocaust of the Jews.  Best, Oxie

    Posted by Richard Oxman from  on  07/20  at  10:23 PM
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