Thursday, August 05, 2004

Fabricating Terror in Albany

By Kurt Nimmo

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  1. Kurt, I was up in Northern Quebec visiting my elderly grandparents until last night.  My grand-dad, a retired tool-and-die maker and lifelong leftist, is always there for pearls of wisdom and fishing advice.  For the first time in years I paid no attention to world events for the most part - but when I heard radio news in the background saying something about a threat against the World Bank and IMF, I fucking nearly vomited laughing.  My grandparents, old radicals, asked me what was so funny, and I explained it.  “You never know,” said my grand-dad “could be another reichstag.”

    Posted by j cummings from  on  08/05  at  11:43 AM

  2. Excellent, Kurt. I’d like to remind readers that supporters of the Bushcons...and potential CEOs other than Bush...need to be addressed too. Our neighbors, our colleagues and members of our own families...on some significant level...directly or otherwise...lightly or otherwise...strangers who burp from a distance...littering the landscape with what won’t go away.... These people...these fellow citizens...must be “addressed” --given equal time-- in our daily routines...within the limited parameters that our schedules and energy permit.  Now, Ox

    Posted by Ox from  on  08/05  at  01:10 PM


  3. As a resident of Schenectady, near Albany, NY, who happens to be very skeptical of the local state Republican administration and as someone how has done fact-checking and research for a liberal/progressive media oriented non-profit, I have to say I disagree with some of the implications here.


    The arrests in Albany, while a sting operation, appear to be the most concrete and warranted those made recently.


    I am skeptical of much regarding the “threats” to 5 named financial-related targets in New York and DC, I am skeptical of the alleged threat that many hundreds (more) individuals being held without charge would be… except maybe now we’ve made a handful of them more angry…


    But the Albany arrest almost appears to be what our so-called “war on terror” should be.... real police work? I hope so.

    Posted by Matthew from Schenectady, New York  on  08/06  at  12:22 AM

  4. Except these guys would not have missiles if an undercover cop had not offered to sell them to them. This is not police work; it is entrapment. The timing is also fishy, designed for political gain at the very moment the Bushcons declare New York and Washington are at risk. Are there “bad guys” out there who will buy missiles? You bet. Are there cops out there who will sell them to them? Ditto. I can’t help but think: what came first, the chicken or the egg?

    Posted by Kurt Nimmo from  on  08/06  at  07:35 AM

  5. The arrests in Albany are not only an example of bad police work but also bad journalism.  The way that the Press sensationalized this story was so unprofessional.  Those men are INNOCENT until proven guilty.  Entrapment by government officials should be illegal.

    Posted by R Jackowski from  on  08/06  at  01:43 PM

  6. When readers start taking part in actually making revolutionary demands...certainly one of the demands should be for there to be consequences of significant import for...for starters...gov’t officials who take part in entrapment.  There should be a long line in this regard, yes?  Best, Ox

    Posted by O'Xman from  on  08/06  at  03:24 PM

  7. That an imam and mosque founder would launder money from the sale of a missile strikes me as a bad choice no matter who suggested it.  One would think, or at least one should hope, that no member of an organized Mosque would allow it to be dirtied by even the appearance of impropriety.  Perhaps you can feel sorry for the addict who bends down to pick up narcotics federal agents put at her feet, but this sounds more like Marion Barry’s cries of “The bitch set me up.” Maybe she did, but the Mayor shouldn’t have been anywhere near that room and these guys/patsies could have run out of the shadows into the Albany sunlight at the first mention of criminal activity.  Apparently they didn’t and now we have to wonder what they did, why they did it, who asked them to do it, why they were asked and a million other questions…

    Posted by Jeff from  on  08/06  at  08:44 PM

  8. Marion getting “made” has zero to do w the Mosque making “mau mau”...if that’s what they were up to....  And on another plane...from another realm of conception...let’s dwell on the notion that Black people in this country HAVE an “excuse” for doing drugs or whatever the hell else they want to do...without the Feds crashing down on them...UNTIL this country --the majority of its reps and citizens-- get on their knees in apology for crimes past...that continue to this day.  Majority?  There’s but a drop in the bucket of the populace that acknowledges our history vis-a-vis Blacks in a meaningful way.  And as far as the Mullahs go...or anyone associated deeply with a Mosque...let’s acknowledge that The Powers...backed up by the citizenry...are contributing to whatever comes down at this point.  If I’m going to be “upset” with something Marion did or something that came down the pike from a Mosque...I’m going to spend at least an equal amount of energy undermining The Powers that continue to make like unbearable for those in question.  Loving best in solidarity, Ox ps I hope all readers here will read my latest Zinn/Pilger piece and get people they know to register comments in that quarter.

    Posted by Richard Oxman from  on  08/07  at  01:14 PM

  9. Ox, you made me laugh.  Mayor Marion Barry has an excuse for whoring around on his wife and huffing on a crack pipe because of American history vis-à-vis Blacks?  That kind of thought will keep Black people right where they are no matter who gets down on their knees.
    For all your light treatment, this isn’t a case of a bake sale to make a few dollars for the school.  Apparently it’s an imam and mosque founder involved in selling MISSILES TO KILL DIPLOMATS.  Someone as simple as myself might wonder if efforts to establish the Mosque might have had disingenuous motives and this is the first of many duplicitous acts to be revealed.

    Complex issues often elude me, just so I understand, while you go about undermining the Powers are you volunteering to help take out some Pakistani diplomats or just offering to organize the sale of a few missiles?

    Posted by Jeff from  on  08/10  at  09:31 PM

  10. Tell me if I fail to address any of your concerns here, Jeff.  I’m glad to give a chuckle, but, seriously, it’s NOT that I excuse Marion on the level that you cite.  Not at all. It’s that before running him off to the hoosegow...following the “proper” treatment on the Six O’Clock News...I ask/demand that the citizens of this country formally acknowledge our Debt to Blacks/The Ongoing Black Holocaust (partly addressed in my most recent article on this site, titled PLANTATION TO PENITENTIARY PAIN)...and...AND...contribute to more of a level playing field.  I have no problem with separating the guilt of ANY citizen regarding violation of a particular crime...and historical factors that may or may not have contributed (to a particular degree) to that particular individual’s fate/actions.  I DO have a problem, however, with the concerns I’ve expressed being dismissed or given token consideration (only when forced to do so at great cost).  Regarding the “terrorists” that might be aided by a given Mosque, there is a parallel scenario that I would demand of citizens...before jumping whole hog behind America’s Battle with The Others. A parallel demand somewhat on the order of what I’ve delineated above vis-a-vis Blacks.  In short, the discussions are very lop-sided, especially in these days of Ultra Fear.  However, in general, I find that a lot of disagreement with what I’ve pointed out above has to do with The Average Reader/Activist not really having more than a superficial acquaintance with, say, Black History and/or the abominations the horrific people of this country have committed...since the inception of the U.S.  You ARE talking to someone who a) views the U.S. as at least as big a horror as Nazi Germany ever intended to be and b) who has slept for decades with volumes and reams of alternative information...that goes way beyond, say, just being familiar with Howard Zinn’s THE PEOPLE’S HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES.  I recommend Randall Robinson’s THE DEBT re Blacks...and...I look forward to your response.  Loving regards with deep respect, Richard Oxman

    Posted by Respectful Oxman from  on  08/10  at  09:53 PM

  11. Long as this argument has diverged to the issue of “drugs,” how ‘bout we consider/admit that the prohibtion model is the problem in the first place.  Barry wouldn’t have had to make the comment that “the bitch set me up,” if “drugs” were legal as they should be.  Prohibition is many times more harmful than are the drugs themselves - admittedly to varying degrees.  Marijuana illegality is far more criminal than marijuana could ever be.  Which doesn’t even touch upon the many benefits of the marijuana/hemp plant.

    Posted by Tracy McLellan from  on  08/10  at  11:24 PM

  12. Why are we still looking to criminals to legalize something which should be of zero concern when contrasted with the criminal requirements they lay down for the populace?  Best, Oxie ps why so much dependence still on the gov’t?

    Posted by Oxydoodle from  on  08/11  at  12:02 AM

  13. I agree Ox, but I would reply on this specific issue, and in my specific time and place, necessarily so.  Which is to say my previous post was just another jeremiad.

    Posted by Tracy McLellan from  on  08/11  at  12:38 AM
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