Friday, January 06, 2006

Let Ernst Zundel and David Irving Go Home

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  1. I agree with your letter but I must say that after having read a couple of David Irvings books and visiting his website on a few occaisions I cannot agree with your discription of him,he is far from a hate filled Nazi and indeed dispite all the lies printed about him he is balanced as an individual and very respected as a historian, of course people are afraid to openly support him no one wants to make enemies especialy powerful ones, why risk it?
    Similarly anyone who has overcome the visions of horror linked to the feelings of guilt that come up when you try to look at the holocaust story objectivly quickly see that parts of it are nonsense, but why bother sticking your neck out.
    It is true to say though that the story is gradualy disintergrating ,gone are the lampshades and soap stories,Dachau, it is now accepted, had no gaschambers,dispite all of the “eye witness accounts” the numbers supposed to have been killed in other infamous camps have been reduced by the order of millions.
    I know little of Ernst Zundel but I can tell you that David Irving will not receive a lenthy prison sentence,and it will not be because Ms Lipstadt has been so gracious(she simply does not want his release to seem like a victory) it will be because everyone but the badly informed and the feeble minded know that the truth is leaking out and no one wants to look folish in the future

    Posted by David Gray from United Kingdom  on  01/07  at  08:46 AM

  2. seems the krauts have progressed from burning
    books to imprisoning their authors.

    Posted by believenothing@hushmail.com from usa  on  01/07  at  04:09 PM

  3. David Irving has never written a book on the holocaust, and commented sparsely by reference.  He is accused not so much of denying the holocaust against the Jews as not mentioning it. Of course, Winston Churchill never mentioned that holocaust once in his six-volume history of WWII.

    Readers may judge Irving by going to his website and downloading any or all of his published books:

    http://www.fpp.co.uk

    Posted by Henry Barth from UK  on  01/08  at  01:10 AM

  4. PRESS RELEASE by The Society for a Five Minute
    Moratorium On Holocaust Hubub -Seattle, USA (“Imperial
    City of the Information Age�)

    December 15, 2005

    For Immediate Release:

    GLOBAL GREETING CARD CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED BY AMERICAN
    ANTI-HOLO-HUBUB GROUP; BONO AND SIR BOB GELDOF
    TRUMPED!

    Help decorate the dreary prison cells of incarcerated
    revisionist activists and historians: Ernst Zündel,
    Germar Rudolph, David Irving, Siegfried Verbeke,
    René-Louis Berclaz and Gunther Kogel with festive
    Christmas, Yule and New Year’s cards. Take a few
    minutes out of your busy day to let these men know
    that you are thinking of them at this special time of
    year. Imagine yourself in their paper prison booties.
    Would you want to be stuck this winter in medieval
    Germany, Austria or Switzerland without any holiday
    cards from well-wishers around the globe? We think
    not. So get busy and select a cheery greeting to send
    to one or more of these staunch Prisoners of
    Conscience that Amnesty International has turned its
    sorry back on. The season is the reason!

    The address for Ernst Zündel is:

    Ernst Zündel
    J.V.A. Mannheim
    Herzogenriederstrasse 111
    D-68169 Mannheim
    F.R.G. / BRD
    [Germany]

    The address for Germar Rudolf is:

    Germar Rudolf
    JVA Stuttgart,
    Asperger Str. 60,
    D-70439 Stuttgart
    F.R.G./ BRD
    [Germany]

    The address for David Irving is:

    David Irving
    Justizanstalt Josefstadt
    Wickenburggasse 18-20
    1082 Wien
    Austria

    The address for Siegfried Verbeke is:

    Siegfried Verbeke #207
    J.V.A.
    Oberer Fauler Felz 1
    D-69117 Heidelberg
    F.R.G. / BRD
    [Germany]

    The address for René-Louis Berclaz is:

    René-Louis Berclaz
    Prison des Iles
    Case postale 1080
    CH-1951 SION
    Suisse
    [Switzerland]

    The address of Gunther Kogel is:

    Gunther Kogel
    Justizvolzugsansalt Remschied
    Masurenstrasse 27
    D-42899 Remschied
    F.R.C./BRD
    Germany

    Posted by Charles Krafft from Seattle  on  01/08  at  11:10 PM

  5. Europe is just as fascist—at least as far as freedom of speech—as they were in the 30’s and 40’s.  Free Speech in a inherit right of man.  Here in the States, I could not imagine what would happen if people could be arrested for words they say.

    America is the only “real” free country in the world.

    Anyways, no matter how you look at it, David Irving is a victim.

    Lets pray he gets freed.

    Posted by Ryan Hamilton from Provo, Utah USA  on  01/09  at  11:46 AM

  6. The people who are behind these laws are also behind the negative image of europe that you have been given,we in europe are also sold a very negative image of the US ie a place without justice where you can get away with murder if you are rich (OJ) but if you are poor you will get the chair or worse a lifetime in one of your inhumane prisons etc etc.I try not to let the liars influence me too much, we who are of european decent hold largely the same values wherever or whenever we are born,yes even in 30s Germany.I saw Lipstadt on TV in the US discribe David Irving as a BRIT as if that alone was enough to condem him as a criminal,I wondered if she would feel the same way about British jews? would they also be BRITS, but of course they would not,all that stuff is just to keep us fragmented god forbid that we europeans all over the world should start to see ourselves as one people that would never do.
    So the next time you hear something negative about your brothers accross the lake defend them and I will do the same for you here, perhaps word of mouth will eventualy compensate for the loss of our media on both sides
    I also pray for Davids release

    Posted by David Gray from United Kingdom  on  01/09  at  02:02 PM

  7. I am sure there are good people in Europe—just like you’ll find anywhere in the world.  The biggest difference between us Yanks and you Europeans is that we have absolute freedom of speech.

    As far as the death penalty, Germany and Austria should shut the hell up.  They have killed more people than any country’s judicial system could ever put in the death chair.  By the way, the average wait on the death row for a inmate is 10 yeas.  More than enough time to allow any appeals or new evidence.

    Your European brothern are a bunch of pussies when it comes to crime and terrorism, and soon the growing Muslim population is going to rule your self-righteous white asses.

    Posted by Ryan Hamilton from Utah  on  01/09  at  02:24 PM

  8. Dear nungoomoo, hamilton my arse.Obviously this whole discussion has nothing to do with you

    Posted by David Gray from United Kingdom  on  01/09  at  03:25 PM

  9. I would not really describe David Irving as a good historian as his reinterpretations are deeply skewed through ommisions and his knowledge and use of german sources seems to lack proper understanding of their language.
    Having this said I think that keeping him in jail for his opinions is really a continuation of infamous Austrian policies and justice: as we all know they were the real and first victims of Hitler.
    This lack of realism is in a best way ilustrated by the fact that Irving was able to find two of his most contested books in a jail library to which he has currently an open, if not desired ,access.

    Posted by jan peche from Hackensack,NJ  on  01/10  at  03:29 PM

  10. It is probably incorrect to call his work a reinterpretation, as much of it is taken from previously unused archives,sources and interviews, this is what makes his work so refreshing and valuable.As you read his books you become aware of the lack of bias, which makes other so called history books seem to read like novels, works of bias fiction.You would have to be more specific about ommisions.

    It is my understanding that David Irving has paid quite well for translating old german documents for various agencies,indeed his german is probably better your english Jan, no offence ment,but you letter is a little hard to follow,especialy the last paragraph.But hey I am no author myself.David Irvings books are everywhere you will find them in almost any library in the world,Hitlers war was once(and I believe unofficialy still is)required reading at west point,it was mildly humourous that his books where there but the charges that he faced did not relate to anything that he had written.In your last sentence you say he has “open, if not desired access” does that mean that you do not want him to be in the library? and if so why not?I am glad that we at least agree that he should not be in prison

    Posted by David Gray from United kingdom  on  01/10  at  05:00 PM

  11. The first line of the second paragraph above should have read “David Irving has BEEN paid” opps

    Posted by David Gray from United Kingdom  on  01/10  at  05:13 PM

  12. No, no,when I wrote he has an open access to the library I tried also to be humourous-I meant he is in jail and should not be(>>open but not desired<<).For me the fact that his books are in jail library tells a lot about hipocrysy of this whole affair and Austrians specially.
    I am all for eccentricity and outlandish opinions.
    As to Irving - historian it was proved (twice,I think)in a court of law that he is deficient in his profession.
    Even if my English is bad or comparatively worse then his German-I a still for freedom of speech.

    Posted by jan from Hackensack,NJ  on  01/10  at  07:50 PM

  13. Ha ha I see, I could not figure out why you would not want him to read (torture!!)
    Justice gray(no relation to me)at the lipstadt trial said “His knowledge of World War Two is unparalled” hardly sounds like proof of his incompetance to me,why not go to his website download “Hitlers war"and decide for yourself

    Posted by David Gray from United Kingdom  on  01/11  at  06:29 AM

  14. It is interesting to exchange opinions with you, David.

    I want to share with you my reaction when I hear or read this type of praises ("his knowledge of WW2 is uparalled") specially when they are taken away from the broader context.
    It is for me like Mozart telling Salieri about Salieri’s music:"I never thought such music was possible” (in “Amadeus").Sounds nice,but from the kontext we all now what Mozart really thinks!
    Same here,Justices Gray praise is, I think,a kind of prep work before the ax falls.Irvings deficiencies as a historian are seen this way as much bigger then same defficiencies in a case of a regular person-he created those opinions while he obviously knew better or had had a good chance to be properly informed.
    In the other parts of the judgement Justice Gray wrote:”...Irving for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence;...for the same reasons he hes portrayed Hitler in an unwarrantedly favourable light...” and so on.

    I read Irving’s book,thought it was in some aspects interesting,wouldn’t like to shape my opinion on WW2 solely on it.I do not share his admiration toward Hitler,whom I tend to see as a psychopath and a monster,even if an energetic one.

    But I think that in a way opinion on Irvings writing is a separate issue from him being put behind the bars for his writings and speeches.This should not happened.

    Posted by jan from Hackensack NJ  on  01/11  at  11:01 AM

  15. |I agree the exchange is a pleasure and I also agree that context is important David Irvings enemies are rather selective with their quotes too.I admit that I have not read the full text of the trial. The outcome of the court case was not surprising considering the vast ammounts paid to Ms Lipstadts “expert” witnesses one man was paid £70,000 I believe, her total bill was around £3M the fact that she was not awarded costs tells you a lot, of course it did not cost her a penny she has powerful friends,a fact I am sure justice gray was made aware of over a brandy somewhere, but who can say. All I know is that I trust my own judgment and I think that David Irvings books give great insight into the whole affair,if he was writing that Hitler was a carpet chewing idiot he would be on talk shows and winning awards but it would not make it true.His books will stand the test of time when the simplistic Allies where good Germans where evil or should I say the winners where good the losers where evil will be seen as pure propaganda and not history

    Posted by David Gray from United Kingdom  on  01/11  at  12:29 PM

  16. I find it amazing that in the historian community you have to be of the same train of thought when it comes to the Nazis. Yes, Hitler was a agressor; yes, he caused the destruction of much of Europe; but, there are still a lot of historical facts that could still be disputed--even the extent of Hitler’s knowledge of the Holocaust.  Irving is not a Holocaust denier, he is a what a true scholar should be: somebody who is always looking for different insights through evidence and not “goose stepping” to the collective ideals.

    Posted by Ryan Hamilton from Utah  on  01/11  at  01:07 PM

  17. I could not agree more

    Posted by David Gray from United Kingdom  on  01/11  at  01:22 PM

  18. I think that there is a huge problem with so called facts.There are things which cannot and shouldn’t be discussed as they are commonly recognized us facts,whatever is an epistemological status of this entity (the fact).What we mostly discuss are our opinions about what happened.
    Nobody can really dispute basic facts: we can discuss reasons,aspects and outcomes of a Civil War(in the south I still found places where it is called a rebellion or War of Seccession) but it is rather not popular to discuss that it happened.We can discuss William’s conquest of Britain-what was it meaning and mechanism but we do not discuss fact of the Battle of Hastings.And so on.
    Irving’s writings on history where of this kind that through ommissions and sometimes inacurate translations and interpretations he created a picture of 2WW and Hitler as basically separeted from mass industralized killings.To me this is totally wrong.When I look today on Europe I see new borders being a physical outcome of the war and I think about exterminating other people as a way of solving problems ,exterminating under the cover of a sham law and on an industrialized scale and fashion as a main cultural,moral and psychological outcome.I strongly disagree with a practice of making boundries fuzzy and responsibilities unclear.
    I also think about a broader spectrum of atrocities,not only against Jews but agains basically all conquered nations.One cannot write a history of a war putting those events,which are more alive in human memory then most other things,down - into the footnotes section.Same with discussing the core of the events.
    I noticed than until recently Irving book was in a bibliography sections of many historic publications.If PC authors decide not to read it at all-well,I think it is their loss.
    But to me society as whole gave Irving poor marks for his efforts as an historian.He lost in court and as I understand he is fully or nearly bankrupt.There is more meaning to those facts than simply considering Irving as a misunderstood genius.Final Solution later called The Holocaust is a fact which cannot be discussed in its merit,core or egsistence.Doubting that it happened brings doubter to the area of lies or insanity,not to the top of the profession.
    I think it is an error to consider his books as great just sweeping under the carpet those huge ommisions and misinterpretations he commited.For the same reason Hitler is not considered a genius who built the autobahns and in a process,on it’s margins, killed millions,but an opposite-monstrous murdrer who also had some ideas about mass commuting.
    Taking a part of a whole and seeing it separate is a huge mistake,same us consideringf part as a whole.

    Be it as it may,people should not be put into the jail for their thoughts ,writings,words and opinions.Irving should be realesed .Or,maybe ,this experience will show him a little what it means to live under the totalitarian rule.Who knows?

    Posted by jan from Hackensack NJ  on  01/11  at  02:28 PM

  19. Unfortunately, unlike the American War Between the States and other established historical facts, the existence of the Jewish Holocaust was the product of a series of post-war show trials during which the ascertainment of the truth was secondary to the metting out of punishment. To imagine that any responsible historian of the period would rely on the outcome of such a farce as the final word on what actually happened in Europe during the Second World War is too laughable for words. It is as if a researcher on the Brown-Goldman murders would consider the guilt or innocence of O.J. Simpson to have been once and for all decided by the verdict of his trial.

    In the case of the extermination of the Jews, the “facts” established at Nuremberg had so little effect, for example, on such major world historical figures as Churchill, Eisenhower, and DeGaul, that each failed to devote a single word to it in any of their respective memoirs. So much for incontestable historical facts.

    Posted by John from Northridge, CA  on  01/11  at  04:44 PM

  20. It seems an unfortunate truth that the Nuremberg trials were in part a show .Still,basic aspects of mass murdering (by Germans) of Jews and other people during the war cannot be diputed.It is enough to go and see the camps,the rairoads,the barracks and so on.While an exact numbers are disputed and ,with new reaserch and new political trends-lowered down , one cannot with a clear mind deny the existence of a state organized system of extermination and the ideaological base for it contained in a state and party(in this case one and the same) documents.
    The Holocaust and therefore memory of people killed is unfortunently in our times used by various factions for political and not so political goals.It is in many instances deplorable and shamefull,no doubt.
    Still, doubting or denaying those rudimentary , visible proofs is rather insane.
    On the other hand,if manipulating of the historu for idealogical,political or financial gains is permited,then having outlandish opinions should be too.There would be not enough prison if we woulkd try to jail every bad craftsman,worker or professional (my dentist comes to mind).
    Jailing Irving is therefore a bad move.

    Posted by jan from Hackensack,NJ  on  01/11  at  05:45 PM

  21. The standard account of the Holocaust would not stand up to anything like a free exchange of ideas. How else can you explain the oppressive tactics employed by those who have perverted the law to imprison anyone who challenges the accepted orthodoxy in this matter. It will probably take some time, but eventually they who had the courage to challenge what American scholar Arthur Butz called “the hoax of the 20th century” will be vindicated.

    Posted by John from Northridge, CA  on  01/11  at  07:23 PM

  22. When it was first suggested to me that the gaschambers never existed it was difficult for me to even listen to that suggestion.I imagined people locked in a room being gassed and I could not deny them a voice,I still would would not deny them a voice,but I no longer belive it happened,it would be so easy to prove, there would be huge amounts of ashes that could be tested for cyanide there would be mass graves that could be tested for cyanide. There would be so much actual evidence that there would be no need for laws against debate because the dabate would be so easily won.There is no doubt that the jews where interned and brutalised there is no doubt that many of them died in the concentration camps through disease and starvation. There is no doubt that thousands of babies where vapourised in a second in heroshima there is no doubt that millions of people each one an individual with a right to live where killed in the second world war,it was a horrible episode of human history,there are few nations that took part in that war that are not guility of crimes against humanity we are all gulity and anyone who seeks to gain from that horror is taking part in it, the story goes on,injustice caused the second world war not one man and injustice will cause the third.This of course is my view and not David Irvings supporting him and his right to free does not mean that you agree with me

    Posted by David Gray from United Kingdom  on  01/11  at  08:53 PM

  23. I’ll tell you want frustrates me the most about this entire event.  It is the fact that American non-profit human rights organizations like the Jewish Defamation League and Simon Wiesenthal publicly applauded Irving’s arrest.

    I mean right or wrong, it is so hypocritical that these same people who were victims arrested for their beliefs are now doing the same thing to others today.  Whether it is true or not,just like all religion—including Judiasm, not to be a believer of the holocaust does not hurt anybody.  I personally believe that Jesus was the son of God.  Does that mean that I am hurting those who do not?  Like I said before, most of Europe should not consider themselves democracies unless they allow the complete freedom of speech.  If these Jews in America want to start acting like Europeans, then they should go back to Germany and spew hate on the people there.  Leave that fascist shit out of my country.

    Posted by Ryan Hamilton from Utah  on  01/12  at  12:52 AM

  24. I understand what you are saying,they are hypocrates. But you still have a tainted view of Europe,we invented democracy after all(along with most other things starting with the wheel so be grateful)most Americans are still of european stock anyway.
    Simon Wiesenthal non profit!!!! I would like to have .5% of their profits for a month I would be a rich man

    Posted by David Gray from United Kingdom  on  01/12  at  05:18 AM

  25. Look, I’ve been all over Europe several times and have meet really nice folk.  Nevertheless,if a Nation does not have the complete freedom of speech—which the Americans invented by the way (1st Amendment)-- then they should not consider themselves a democracy. How is that a tainted view?

    Posted by Ryan Hamilton from Utah  on  01/12  at  10:22 AM

  26. Most Europeans are content to let their governments tell them what to do, and since most of them are controlled by special interests (not unlike our own), that inevitably means government to the highest bidder. In the case of the Holocaust lobby and the repression of dissenting views, fear of a boycott--especially in the case of Germany, a country dependent on exports for survival--is probably the driving force behind the current persecutions there. If you speak to the average European on the street--who by the way is much better informed than, say, the average American on recent history--he is well aware that the gas chamber story is a hoax and is orchestrated by the internationalists to key control over the potentially recalcitrant masses.  That is the real legacy of the last great war.

    Posted by John from Northridge, CA  on  01/13  at  01:34 PM

  27. I do not know that you can claim that the average European is more informed.  Their entire infomation system—except myabe the internet—is more controlled by the government than the states.  There is no real alternative press or media.  Therefore,I really doubt that any think the gas chambers were a hoax.

    Posted by Ryan Hamilton from Utah  on  01/13  at  05:44 PM

  28. Be honest your average African in a mud hut is better informed then most Americans.Most of them do still believe the gaschamber stories many think that Saddam was responsable for the attack on the twin towers and worst of all a lot of them they think that the rest of the world admires them.when in reality Europeans look on them as our fat slightly retarded son who keeps stumbling around breaking things and getting himself into trouble.For Gods sake just look at their President he has sub cretin level intelligence and is totaly manipultated by the neocon cabal that surround him.

    Posted by David Gray from United Kingdom  on  01/14  at  09:42 AM

  29. Anni or sono, venne annunciato una pubblica conferenza in Roma, all’Hotel Parco dei Principi, nella quale David Irving avrebbe esposto le sue tesi. Lessi di cio’ sui giornali e sarei andato certamente ad ascoltarlo. Sugli argomenti in questione, rubricati come negazionismo, non ho una mia propria posizione: ritengo che sia compito degli storici accertare la verita’  dei fatti, quali che siano ed in un pubblico confronto degli opposti argomenti. Se non posso accedere alla documentazione storica originaria, ho pero’ una mia opinione sull’uso strumentale dello sterminio degli ebrei. Non potei ascoltare in Roma David Irving perche’ fu fermato all’aeroporto e fatto ripartire subito. Lessi di questo episodio sui giornali. La cosa mi colpi’ e indigno’ molto. Come cittadino italiano non posso ammettere che cose simili succedano in Italia. Non esistendo l’Europa in quanto entita’  politica (credo proprio grazie alla politica seguita all’Olocausto) non posso esprimere eguale sdegno e disapprovazione in quanto cittadino europeo, ma considero assolutamente illiberale ed inaccettabile il comportamento delle autorita’  austriache che in sostanza hanno mandato in galera una persona (chiunque sia e qualunque siano le sue opinioni) per il solo fatto di aver manifestato le sue vedute, contestabili o meno che siano.

    Antonio Caracciolo
    Universita’  di Roma La Sapienza

    Posted by Antonio Caracciolo from Roma, Italy  on  01/14  at  12:16 PM

  30. Mr. Gray,

    Sour grapes, sour grapes.  You are just jealous that America is the richest country in the world, has the strongest miltary, and has more influence on your culture than any other country (Have you seen a Hollywood movie lately, or better yet, used internet that is controlled and owned by the USA????) Now, lets put a end to your lies and try a experiment.  I’ll to the Washington DC and march around the capital with a sign saying that the holocaust never happened; you go to Berlin or Vienne and do the same.  Who do you think will be the one who gets arrested? I know I won’t.... Conclusion: America is the the only truly free country in the world.  By the way I voted for Bush twice.

    Posted by Ryan Hamilton from Utah  on  01/15  at  11:59 AM

  31. Ha Ha Ha Why does that not surprise me,you have just proven my point entirely and you cannot even see it,tell the truth now you have never been outside the US in your life, if you had.............no I will let you figure it out for yourself.
    When my European kinsmen in the US awaken and do some house cleaning over there maybe Hollywood will start making quality films again,in the meantime I can reccomend a Swedish movie called “Anglagard” it is a good example of the depth of European movies compared to the shallow rubbish that jewish Hollywood force feed you (and us) in an attempt to keep you indocrinated and stupid.
    The anti free speach laws that exist in a few European countries are an embaressment and will thankfully not be around much longer as the holocaust myth is unraveling at a faster rate each year.
    Best be carefull wich part of Washington you walk around,the white house looks OK but most of the city is a ghetto and you are likely to be robbed and murdered.
    Antonio forgive me, my Italian is not good and I have not had time to translate your post, gratsi

    Posted by David Gray from  on  01/15  at  02:23 PM

  32. Do you honestly think that those European Anti-Speech laws are going to disappear?  Or, do you mean get worse?  Give me one example of a European country has lessen their laws and/or punishment for hate speech.  From my own research,Ifound that more and more countries have adopted the same standards as Germany and Austria; and probably more will follow the same suit.  Have you been to the USA?  A ignorant person of your “kind” would probably find more friends that believe in the same rubish.  Plus, you could go march in protest in any US city to awaken the masses of the fake holocaust and not have any legal reprecussions.

    Posted by Ryan Hamilton from Utah  on  01/15  at  04:29 PM

  33. I am getting a bit bored with this,what is important is that we agree that the holocaust story is false,and that David Irving should not be in prison.
    If you believe that the US is the land of the free and that George Bush is a good choice for president then that is your right,and I will not change your mind,you may also believe what you like about Europe it is of little consequence.
    It is my belief the these laws and the lies that have led your country (and the UK) to war in Iraq and are leading it to another war with Iran,originate in the same place,with those who gain from both untruths, the Jews.I also believe that they are at the peak of their power now and that it is a house of cards that will collapse quite suddenly,a good sign of the begining of the end will be the end of acceptance of the holocaust story and that is not far away in Europe, which is why they need these laws now more than ever to maintain their influence but the end is in sight and then yes these laws will go, along with a lot of other rubbish.
    I am sure that you are going to tell me how free you are again I cant wait!

    Posted by David Gray from United Kingdom  on  01/16  at  11:21 AM

  34. First,maybe because you were wrong, you did not give me a example of a European country going more to the right on hate speech.

    Next, I do not absolutely accept that the holocaust was a fake and there is a Jewish conspiracy.  I just don’t know 100%—nor does anybody—this to be true.  I’ve seen pretty good evidence both ways.

    Finally, you don’t know shit about Bush and how much the American people love him.  You had be a American on 911 to understand how important his leadership has been to our country.

    Iran is next, and I hope we bomb the shit out of those people.

    Posted by Ryan Hamilton from Utah  on  01/16  at  12:21 PM

  35. My friend, what more information do you need to be convinced that the so-called Jewish Holocaust is a propaganda myth? Stop fooling yourself. Like the atrocity stories produced by Allied propaganda during the Great War of 1914-1918, those that can be subsumed under the rubric of the Holocaust would have dissipated into the mists of the past long ago if it weren"t for the creation of the Jewish state in Palestine and the eternal need for its supporters and sustainers to coerce its principal benefactor, the good old U.S.A.into coughing up a sizeable annual tribute in hard-earned tax payer money so that they can lord it over the indigenous Arab population of the region and threaten its less than kindly disposed neighbors with incineration if they don’t stand by and idly watch it perpetrate a real Holocaust on defensless Palestinians who don’t have the ability to defend themselves from Jewish depredations with sophisticated American weaponry; much of which, by the way, having been appropriated from the befuddled U.S. government in the time-honored Jewish way of organized thievery through fifth columnists.
    After many years of reflection on the Jewish question, I have inevitable come to the realization that the abortive Madagascar plan was probably the only realistic and humane solution to a problem that has perplexed human civilization since time immemorial. Unfortunately, now it is too late to implement such a plan and the Jews have the bomb. Need I say more?

    Posted by John from Northridge, CA  on  01/16  at  01:47 PM

  36. It would be funny if it was not so tragic,you are a good example of why the jews dont need to have anti free speach laws in the US,and you called me ignorant.Your a monkey good bye x

    Posted by David Gray from United Kingdom  on  01/16  at  01:48 PM

  37. My last comment was directed to Ryan

    Posted by David Gray from United Kingdom  on  01/16  at  01:54 PM
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