Friday, July 23, 2004

Turning the Impossible into Possible

By Jordy Cummings

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  1. Kerry a Vegan?  Sweet start.  I am not going to “require” that Bush’s replacement go without toxic flesh or animal by-products, although --considering the environmental/communal concerns entailed-- I should.  However, as I would do with my wife or children, I sure as hell am not going to tolerate murder for Kerry.  If my closest friend were to “step back” from abominations on the Fourth Floor of a given apartment building for (momentary) self-interest, but continue to support killers on the Fifth and look the other way respecting unnecessary death on the Sixth...I’d let him eat his toxic cheese alone.  Look, supporters of this or that issue and supporters of Kerry had better make sure that if they’re casting a vote his way...that they SIMULTANEOUSLY explain what they’re going to do --to put it very mildly for tactful reasons-- to “push his envelope” once he gets in...to make sure the promises/wishes/needs are honored.  That’s NOT being discussed in these quarters or hardly anywhere.  Rather, our foci is on things like the nooks and crannies of the 9/11 commission, and this and that respectable forum.  Hello?  Love, Ox P.S. We cannot --for environmental reasons alone --to say nothing about places like Haiti, Colombia and non-environmental domestic atrocities-- tolerate four more MONTHS of either Bush or Kerry following November.  We are going down soon --in a way that readers won’t be able to deny-- if we don’t apologize deeply, provide reparations extenstively, open our eyes to the air around us (nostrils too!) and stop business as usual.

    Posted by Richard Oxman from  on  07/24  at  02:54 PM

  2. If elections aren’t that big of a deal, compared with grassroots organizing and planning for changerevolution, etc. - then to whom should someone who believes that if there is no real difference in foreign policy between the two then - (name your “dime” issue, such as the right of homosexuals to employment, let alone marriage, the privatization of social security that is being spoken about again) Kerry should win the election.

    I think that as opposed to getting back into the this or that argument, I agree with Ox that extra-electoral and real issue oriented discussion should take place.  Otherwise, tell me to what you are alluding (and email me, dude. - I still have those books if you want them)

    Posted by j cummings from  on  07/24  at  06:37 PM

  3. What I meant is that to whom should someone apologize.  The only people who are really gonna be affected by this election are those of us outside of the States.  So if a case can be made that Bush will be less hawkish/imperialist than Kerry - which seems possible - then people should be clear about that.  But I don’t think that anyone needs to apologize for how they cast their vote, even for Bush or Lyndon LaRouche or Deepak Chopra.

    I think moralism really puts people off, especially when based upon tautology.

    Posted by j cummings from  on  07/24  at  06:46 PM

  4. >>So if a case can be made that Bush will be less hawkish/imperialist than Kerry<<

    that case cannot be made at all convincing...As I’ve said before any ‘progressive’ that would seriously consider voting for Bush is merely putting a new perverse twist on the ‘lesser- evil’ arguement which they so (rightfully) savage when applied to voting John Kerry. So for those who take that tactic (a relatively small number) best be prepared to be held accountable for a Bush second term, much the same way progressive Kerry voters will be accountable if he is elected…

    Posted by RzG from  on  07/25  at  08:12 PM

  5. That is certainly not my point - but I think that those who want to campaign for Nader in swing states are at least covertly and (perhaps) not intentionally campaigning for Bush.

    Posted by j cummings from  on  07/25  at  08:48 PM

  6. ok..sry for misreading your comments

    Posted by RzG from  on  07/25  at  10:29 PM

  7. Don’t be sorry!!!!  discusion is good.  I think there may not be anything wrong with campaigning for Nader knowing of a Bush win, after reading today’ Justin Raimundo column…

    Posted by j cummings from  on  07/26  at  08:49 AM

  8. What I mean is that what the IPS crowd is to the left, the Cato crowd is to the right, and maybe, just maybe, they will have influence.  Antiwar rightists, your work is cut out for you.  I have more faith in them than I do the Brooking Institutions

    Posted by j cummings from  on  07/26  at  08:50 AM
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