Thursday, September 09, 2004

Dissing Israel: Am I Crazy or What?

By Kurt Nimmo

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  1. You’re doing better, Kurt, but you changed the topic.  In your last article and comments following, you said:

    (1) The US is out to reestablish the draft, martial law, food rationing, and a fascist dictatorship.  I still see no facts to support this strange idea.  It sounds a lot like what Timothy McVeigh and the Michigan Militia have said.  Maybe the Pope is in on the plot, or the United Nations? 

    (2) Israel blew up the World Trade Center.  Again, no facts to support the claim.  This theory is all the rage in Egypt.

    (3) Hamas made no attacks between Rantisi’s death and the recent bus bombings.  This is simply wrong.  Did your much vaunted sources outside the corporate media say this?

    (4) Hamas and the PA are both controlled by Israel.  In the last article, your only support was the well known fact that Israel supported Hamas as a counterpoint to the PLO 20 years ago.  You’ve got more evidence of past Israeli support, but still no evidence to support the claim that Israel CURRENTLY controls either group.  Also no support for your assertion that Israel ordered Hamas to carry out the recent bus bombings.

    You haven’t backed away from any of these positions, so I still think you are far out there in the fact-free conspiracy zone.  You’ve got a lot less of the childish name calling than last time, but there’s still room for improvement on that front.

    You also never responded to my point about what you called the “apartheid wall.” I said it’s either for security or it’s a land grab, but it’s not about racism.  After all, it actually encloses lots of Palestinians on the Israeli side.  Again, you never responded.  Why not admit it was nothing more than ugly name calling on your part?

    You’re still a little bit off, Kurt.

    Posted by Andrew from  on  09/09  at  10:56 AM

  2. Andrew, a “separation” wall is racism. Isn’t that what the Israelis call it, or at least some of them?

    Surely you cannot deny that Israel is a racist state. As you may or may not know, and you seem like an intelligent guy, so I will say you know, Zionism, from the 19th century onward, centered on the idea of creating a specifically Jewish state in which Jews would be protected and privileged over non-Jews. In Israel today, there are “nationality rights,” that is to say rights for Jews only. If you are a Jew, you have exclusive use of land, privileged access to private and public employment, special educational loans, home mortgages, preferences for admission to universities, and many other things. Non-Jews don’t get access to these things. Would you call this racism or something else? I believe the wall--yes, an “apartheid wall"--is a way for the Israelis to ghettoize Palestinians. I think it has less to do with security.

    As for the draft, check out HR 163 and S. 89. In fact, we may already have conscription; the Pentagon recently issued Stop/Loss orders for all branches of the armed services, prohibiting anyone, even those whose term of service has ended, from leaving.

    I didn’t say Israel blew up the WTC. However, I don’t believe some Arabs did it from a cave in Afghanistan. Andreas von Bulow, who served on the parliamentary commission which oversees the three branches of the German secret service while a member of the Bundestag, thinks Mossad carried out the attacks. “Von Bulow told AFP that he believes that the Israeli intelligence service, Mossad, is behind the September 11 terror attacks. These attacks, he said, were carried out to turn public opinion against the Arabs, and boost military and security spending… Eckehardt Werthebach, former president of Germany’s domestic intelligence service, Verfassungsschutz, told AFP that “the deathly precision” and “the magnitude of planning” behind the attacks of September 11 would have needed ‘years of planning.’ ... Such a sophisticated operation, Werthebach said, would require the ‘fixed frame’ of a state intelligence organization, something not found in a ‘loose group’ of terrorists like the one allegedly led by Mohammed Atta while he studied in Hamburg.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BOL403A.html

    Maybe these two guys spend their weekends with the militia in Michigan?

    Any way, more later, I’m sure I’m running out space on this post.

    Posted by Kurt from  on  09/09  at  12:43 PM

  3. Here’s what I wrote: “Isn’t it curious that right smack in the middle of an investigation of Israel spying on its best ‘friend,’ Hamas pulls off back-to-back suicide bombings—after a lull of nearly six months—in Beersheba?”

    Suicide bombings, not homemade rocket attacks or sniping of settlers. Moreover, I didn’t say Israel “ordered” the bus bombings. Don’t put words in my mouth. I do, however, believe Hamas and Israeli interests overlap, and I believe it was set up to be that way. Now that’s different from “ordering” bombings, as if Sharon called up the Hamas office and barked an order. Please.

    Incidentally, I find it curious, as well, that journalist Avi Yissocharov says “Hamas leaders told him over and over again that it was the Israeli left-wing that encouraged them to continue to carry out terror attacks.” In other words, leftists are as crazed and blood-thirsty as Hamas. I contend the left, or revolutionary Palestinians, are the actual target of the Likudites, not fundie Muslims. Is there a reason Hamas would tell an Israeli journalist such a thing?

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=68735

    Andrew, you need to do a bit of research on the PA and the so-called Oslo agreement. The PA was designated to establish a “strong police force” to crack down on resistance to occupation as the carrot of a final settlement was dangled. It wasn’t about catching guys who rob candy stores. Funny how Hamas and the Islamic Jihad sabotaged Oslo, an agreement the Likudites vehemently oppose (Ehud Barak, who “brokered” Oslo, is from the so-called Labor Party).

    Anyway, I’m sure I’ve run out of space again.

    Posted by Kurt from  on  09/09  at  01:08 PM

  4. Ari Ben Menasche is one of the most interesting people I have ever met.  I interviewed him a few years ago and am in the process of getting a copy of it online at my archive site.  I think he works or Mugabe these days though…

    Posted by j cummings from  on  09/09  at  02:32 PM

  5. Its a great time to be a conspiracy theorist.  So many of us feel vindicated in this post 9/11 age, as it all unfolds very much like we said it would, right down to an orchistrated terrorist event.  Hey, the ABC News is now free to mention a secret government set up by FEMA.  Ha! Ha!  Who’s full of it now?  I’m vindicated.  Now there surfaces 9/11 Arab ties to two hijackers.  (frankly I was reading about that two years ago).  Now the Israeli spy ring is mainstream news, which is leaving our country somewhere in the middle of the Middle East conflict, and it probably is a sign of a rivalry afoot in our own governemnt between the Pentegon and CIA.  This is the old Arab curse, “may you live in interesting times”.  War is not the answare, its the problem.

    Posted by Davol from  on  09/09  at  05:32 PM

  6. Kurt’s thesis that Israel has worked to manuever the US to do it’s fighting for it in the Middle East is one that is backed up by much empirical evidence. See Jeff Blankfort’s piece, A War for Israel? and Israel Shamir (some people say he doesn’t exist, but he writes eloquently) who has written many pieces on the topic. Ralph Nader has called the Israeli government the puppeteer to Washington’s puppet government, was attacked by the ADL and responded by pointing out that the ADL does not spend much time protecting the rights of Arab Semites in the US or abroad.

    However, at what point do the two main theses we hear most about regarding events in the Middle East dovetail?

    1) A neocon-Likud conspiracy to start the war
    2) Peak Oil and the last grabs for fossil fuels

    I have read many expert writers on both these issues but so far noone has put the two together for the lay reader to comprehend. One of the best pieces I read recently about the grab for resources was written by Stan Goff at CounterPunch, about Kerry’s energy plan.

    Mike Ruppert’s new book, Crossing the Rubicon sounds intriguing as well, but I don’t think he touches on point 1., perhaps for strategic reasons.

    Posted by Rhino Rick from Tokyo, Japan  on  09/09  at  08:03 PM

  7. Wow. You are a genius and you’re totally in the right. I mean, why would anyone trust the veteran journalists at the New York Times, who have editors stationed in the Middle East, when you, a perfectly qualified photographer, have all the answers to the problems in the Middle East stashed away in your living room in New Mexico? Why no one lends any creditability to your theories or solicits your input regularly on these important issues is mind boggling. And good use of the word “daffy.” I wish more serious investigative reporters like yourself would use such powerful adjectives. It really bangs home your point.

    Now that you’ve solved the thousands of years of hostilities between the Israelites and Muslims, maybe you could use your prowess and summon all of your investigative skills to solve more complex issues like NBC’s fall lineup. Is it entertainment or a vast Hollywood conspiracy against the religious right? Hmmm..

    Posted by J. Stock from  on  09/10  at  10:42 AM

  8. “I mean, why would anyone trust the veteran journalists at the New York Times, who have editors stationed in the Middle East, when you, a perfectly qualified photographer, have all the answers to the problems in the Middle East stashed away in your living room in New Mexico?”

    I rest my case. Obviously, there is no way to get around the depth and severity of the media-imposed brainwashing in this country. Especially indicative is this person’s irritation that anybody but “veteran journalists” (who use Pentagon press briefings as definitive news sources) should have an opinion. It makes you wonder ... what inspires such sarcasm, such irritation? Increasingly, I believe, as a nation, we are asleep at the wheel and resent anybody or anything nudging us from our somnolence. I wrote about this recently, here, for what it is worth.

    Posted by Kurt from  on  09/10  at  10:59 AM

  9. A little off topic, but the recent hub bub is Mike Ruppert’s new book, Crossing the Rubicon which supposedly puts forward irrefutable evidence that Dick Cheney is the no. 1 conspirator in 911, and that Britain and Israel were also totally complicit in carrying out the crime of the century.

    Over here in Japan, on 9/11/04, there is supposed to be a special program on this evening featuring David Ray Griffin, author of a book that questions the official story. Will see if that actually happens and how seriously it is treated by what is normally a pretty moronic menu of TV programming to choose from here…

    Posted by Rhino Rick from Tokyo, Japan  on  09/11  at  01:29 AM

  10. Sorry, I forgot to mention regarding Kurt’s comment in point no. 8 about the indoctrinated-beyond denial- American, see John Kaminski’s latest post: The Biggest Problem with the World is Americans. A bit redundant but a good wake up call, we can never get enough of this stuff.

    Posted by Rhino Rick from Tokyo, Japan  on  09/11  at  01:36 AM

  11. I want to clarify one thing regarding the Israeli generals in the Pentagon.  They didn’t just walk into the Pentagon—they were indeed, like all other visitors, held at the security entrance, and that’s why a coworker and I were called to escort them.  Once in the building, they took off rapidly for Doug Feith’s office, leading the way, obvious very comfortable, and charged into his office.  Despite my request to the secretary and the open sign in security log with DoD record forms in plain sight, these guests were not required to sign in as we do for all other visitors. Many senior offices (like the Under Secretary for Policy’s) are special compartmented security facilities (SCIFs) with their own additional set of DoD mandated security preocedures. It was these procedures that were suspended for our Israeli friends.  The story is at Salon and American Conservative, links from earlier this year available at my area on militaryweek.com.  A small point, but no one without a Pentagon badge enters the Pentagon and roams freely.  They require an authorized escort (even if that escort team is 30 feet behind and running to catch up).

    Posted by Karen Kwiatkowski from  on  09/12  at  11:03 AM

  12. Thanks for the clarification, Karen. Of course, after the door check, so to speak, these guys did pretty much what they wanted. It says a whole lot about their influence at the Pentagon.

    Posted by Kurt from  on  09/13  at  09:04 AM
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