Sunday, July 04, 2004

I'm no Michael Moore, but...

By Mickey Z.

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  1. Racism was certainly a factor in the American attitude towards the Japanese, but less so in the contemporary attitude to Arabs, Semites, indistinguishable from our beloved Israelis whom we endow so lavishly. Convivial high level relationships exist between US leadership and wealthy ME oilmen. Though you may find the conspiracy view uncomfortable, Mickey Z, that’s where the answers to 911 are to be found....

    Posted by Joseph Danison from Asheville area. North Carolina  on  07/04  at  11:26 PM

  2. Well Mickey Z,

    I normally like and agree with most of what you write so entertainingly.  But, no, I won’t forget remote controlled planes and steel towers that come straight done after some jet fuel burning and being crashed into.  I don’t care if how bright any group may or may not be, one does not obtain fighter pilot capabilities from a few days in a friggin simulator, goddamit!  Even if the heat of a temporary jet fuel fire were enough to cause steel pilars to melt, why would those buildings crumble straight down and not twist and fall to one side or another, especially after the impact of a plane, an impact that the towers were designed to withstand, by the way.  These are just two items of many, how about a little stand down action in the mix while we’re at it.  It dissapoints me that someone of your ilk, a real outsider who is not afraid to point out that the emperor is wearing no clothes, is avoiding those areas.  Simple logic and simple logistics, very basic early high school physics, and common sense.  Before I knew what I now know about the Kennedy assassination, I knew from my personal experienc that firing more than one shot with a bolt action rifle accurately at a moving target moving away in a very short time span is superhuman.  I also knew that any marine that goes through basic training and passes on the rifle range segment of that training got a marksman medal - that is not equivelant to sniper marksmanship.  So I was suspicious then.  I did not buy into the official story.  Then I began to look more and found plenty.  How about some commons sense.  Found a steel girder, stand it upright, throw a lot of karosene (similar to jet fuel) on it and light it up.  See for yourself what happens.  Now go to some arcade with a really good race car simulator.  Get pretty good at it.  Ready for Indy.  How about a Grand Prix maybe.  Not good enough?  Try NAASCAR.
    If you justify, argue, or rationalize obvious anomolies and irrationalities, that means you are in that great river - DE-NILE!  Consipiacies exist because only a few in key positions of authority or control know what is going on.  Everyone else follows orders, or else.  Then of course the media just reports what they are told - you know that. You as a renegade writer trying to make ends meet with various low level jobs, may not know the pyschology of see or hear no evil that exists among careerists in corporate and government positions.  Fear works wonders for criminals that pull big jobs.  Gee, I just ranted all over you.  That’s because I respect you and don’t want you to be chicken-shit gate keeper for the progressive left, I think.  Ah, well, later.

    Posted by Paul Fassa from  on  07/05  at  12:21 AM

  3. What a stupid aimless article. Roosevelt and the Navy deliberately incited the Japanese to attack because they couldn’t get Germany to attack the US. It had nothing to do with racism - duh! Read Day of Deceit. Roosevelt not only had a plan to get the Japanese to attack, but we had broken the Japanese code and knew when and where they would attack. Roosevelt let 2,400 men die so he could have his little war to help defend the commies. Just like W. Wilson. Just like Johnson. Bush, on the other hand, commissioned 911. It was done by the PNAC group and Israel.

    Posted by No bullshit/no More from  on  07/05  at  01:23 AM

  4. A very flawed analysis.

    Roosevelt was persuaded that he had to bring the US into the war despite the US public being either apathetic or pro-German.

    Roosevelt used embargos and blockades to force the Japanese into striking the US.  Always get your enemey to strike first (or fake up an attack) so you can claim you are merely retaliating.

    The Japanese codes had been broken and Roosevelt knew where the Japanese fleet was.

    Roosevelt kept Pearl short of fuel so that not all ships could be at sea on exercises simultaneously.  He arranged that when the attack happened the newest ships were at sea on exercises and the old clunkers that were only fit for scrap were in port.

    When the Japanese ambassador tried to present a formal declaration of war hours before the attack, he was kept waiting until after the attack so that the US could claim the Japanese had attacked without declaring war.

    The Japanese may have been pissed off with the UK and the US but had no intention of attacking the US until Roosevel manoeuvred them into it.

    Like every major war for the past 200 years, WW II was fomented by the Rothschilds and their minions such as the Rockefellers so that they could profit financially by supplying both sides and so they could advance their plans for a “New World Order.”

    Posted by Brian de Ford from  on  07/05  at  05:50 AM

  5. Uh oh...Mickey’s angered the ‘consiracy’ people. Won’t be long till he’s been labeled a ‘gatekeeper’...

    ‘Conspiracy theorists’ like those who have responded so negatively toward Mickeys article tend to reduce everything down to the ‘big bad governemnt,’ and larger than life maniacle individulas - ‘terrorism’ thus becomes becoming something other than a legitimate byproduct of decades of manipulation, and our collective consuption and excesses which requires war to sustain itself.

    It’s funny we could so flawless manufacture 911 but yet not produce cache of WMDs in iraq to futher legitimize our ‘cause.’

    I totally agree that this war has strong racial element, btw…

    Posted by RzG from  on  07/05  at  06:03 AM

  6. Where in my article did I dismiss any theory about 9/11 or Pearl Harbor? I simply asked readers to put aside their pre-determined notions and consider what I had to offer. Hardly the behavior of a gatekeeper...in fact, quite the opposite.

    Posted by Mickey Z. from  on  07/05  at  07:05 AM

  7. Mickey Z,
    You left out the most important part, the key warnings of the Pearl Harbor attack from MAGIC--ALL of which were denied the Hawaiian Commanders.

    I am a former naval officer, a retired FBI agent, the eldest grandson of Admiral Kimmel, the Commander of the Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor when attacked December 7, 1941, and an event speaker. I have two presentations, “The Story within the Pearl Harbor Story,” and “The Pearl Harbor and 9/11 Attacks Compared.” Both, of course, feature my grandfather prominently, and draw heavily on my FBI and Navy experience. I have appeared at the National Press Club in Washington, DC, twice on 60 Minutes and I have spoken throughout the country to various Naval Academy, FBI, MOAA, MOWW, VFW, American Legion, DAR, and reunion functions to include reunions of the USS Indianapolis, USS Arizona, and many others.
    My current speaking schedule is as follows:
    1.Jul 7th, Melbourne, FL—Melbourne Library;
    2.Aug 20th, Milledgeville, GA—LIR?;
    3.Sep 2nd, Raleigh, NC—R/Spy Conference;
    4.Sep 9th, Tampa, FL—MOAA;
    5.Sep 17th, Alexandria, VA—Naval Reserve Association 50th Reunion;
    6.Sep 25th, New London, CT—USS Skate Reunion;
    7.Oct 8th, New Orleans, LA—205th Army Aviation Banquet;
    8.Nov 10th, Naples, FL—USNAAA Naples Chapter;
    9.Nov 13th, Pensacola, FL--Air Task Group One Reunion; and
    10.Dec 4th,Tucson, AZ—USS Arizona Reunion.
    The Wall Street Journal and the New York Times--see below--have correctly reported my statement that, “The decrypted Japanese codes gave indications of the place of the Pearl Harbor attack, the time of the Pearl Harbor attack, the reason for the Pearl Harbor attack, and the deceit plan to cover the Pearl Harbor attack.” I would be delighted to detail why I said what I said the way I said it to you or any of your readership, but your website limits me to 5000 words, so, I am limited to this:  MAGIC includes military spy information, which is not diplomatic information by any stretch, and to represent otherwise is misleading.  General Miles and Gerhard Gesell made this clear at the Joint Congressional Committee Hearing--29PHA792.  The Cannoughton Report of September 1942, which was never revealed to Admiral Kimmel, said that from August 1941 until the attack, the Navy Department received 147 military spy ships-in-harbor reports total--68 applied to Pearl Harbor, 55 to Manila, 18 to the Panama Canal, and 6 to Seattle (see the Navy’s 1942 “Diplomatic Background to Pearl Harbor,” Special Research History 012, NARA, a.k.a., The Cannoughton Report).  One of the 68 Pearl Harbor spy messages left undecoded said famously that there was still “considerable opportunity to take advantage of a surprise attack” on Pearl Harbor (12PHA269, #253, PA-K2 code, dated December 6, 1941).  If Rochefort in Hawaii, let alone Kimmel, had been privy to the ships-in-harbor spy messages would he have left this message undecoded?

    The Congressional Inquiry and the Kean Commission have made much of the Intelligence Community’s inability to connect the 9/11 dots, and indeed there were many disparate dots including several of questionable credibility.  This contrasts dramatically with Pearl Harbor where there was one…

    Posted by TOM KIMMEL from  on  07/05  at  08:00 AM

  8. “At Dawn We Slept” is as close to a comprehensive treatment of pre-Pearl Harbor intelligence as there is.  It is a good place to start because every intelligence development is put on a strict timeline and in context.

    I believe that 911 was an act of treason, and that it was clearly predicted by the traitors in their Plan for the New American Century when they stated that they needed another Pearl Harbor in order to get public support for their scheme of world conquest.  The Bush administration was counting on a great success in Iraq to cover up their misdeeds.  Unfortuntely for them that did not happen.  So they have had to impede investigations, sponsor media spin and do almost anything to keep the despicable truth from coming out.

    Posted by John E. Hanks from Laramie, Wyoming  on  07/05  at  09:44 AM

  9. I plan to comment here --thanks to Mick for doing this piece-- as soon as I’m no longer at the mercy of the local Internet Cafe’s parameters.  Hugs, RO

    Posted by Richard Oxman from  on  07/05  at  01:41 PM

  10. I wonder,if 9/11 starts like “Pearl Harbor” will it end the same way? The Nuclear annihilation thing.

    Posted by John Davey from USA  on  07/05  at  08:36 PM

  11. > If you’re Michael Moore, well, you film a 116-minute John Kerry ad.

    I could have sworn today on “live” radio , you said that you have not yet seen the movie :-p

    Posted by Lloyd D Budd from  on  07/05  at  08:50 PM

  12. Hey Lloyd,

    You’re right. I haven’t seen the film and don’t plan to. However, I feel it doesn’t require viewing to ascertain that Moore has filmed what he deems as a powerful argument for Bush being voted out of office. So, unless he’s urging millions of movie-goers to consider other choices (which he is not and has made not secret of that fact), the end result is more votes for Kerry (or more stay-at-home voters) Hence, my comment.

    Thanks,

    MZ

    Posted by Mickey Z. from  on  07/05  at  09:01 PM

  13. Hey MZ ,

    Thank you for the reply .  Exactly wink Moore has made it clear that the film is a personal attack on Bush(es) .  It is a stretch , particularly having not seen the film to say that equates to a “a 116-minute John Kerry ad” .

    Throwing around Moore’s name is the popular thing to do , though I find it more obnoxious that your article is running with an image of _Welcome_to_ Terrorland_ which you have not “[found] time to read “ .  Ouch !

    Peace ,
    Lloyd

    Posted by Lloyd D Budd from  on  07/05  at  11:23 PM

  14. Mickey, I’m not sure if you were responding to Paul Fassa’s thread (he must be one of those black-helo fearing libertarians) or mine, but I hope you realize I was not calling you a ‘gatekeeper’ ...rather defending you against those who take every single bit of Alex Jones-esque sludge to heart, and wildly throw out the pejorative ‘gatekeeper’ badge at anyone who might not go so far. This thread has become totally boorish.

    So all affections, but I will say your Michael Moore analysis continues to remain extremely pedantic…

    Posted by RzG from  on  07/06  at  01:33 AM

  15. There is a Good Link at Rense.com
    http://rense.com/general54/mih.htm
    “Makow-Michael Moore Shills for Illuminati Bankers.”
    ....
    I hope those pooh-poohing the fears of real Liberty
    devotees will take to Heart the
    images of the young dumbshit soldiers in “Fahrenheit”
    who will be made into our local Martial Law Cops
    very soon now....
    ...
    Thank you to Tom Kimmel and everybody for
    serious consideration in this thread…
    Go Mick!,
    Whup Ass (with Objectivity- true Bodhisattva).

    Posted by Jack Schick from New Mexico, Land of Entrapment  on  07/06  at  02:21 AM

  16. “The movie also makes people think free enterprise capitalism is to blame for war. It is not. The bankers hate free enterprise.”

    God bless the misogynist free market liberatarians - ALL the world’s problem reduced down to the Jew Bankers...and feminism as ‘Cultural genocide.’ Oh the Rense crowd is really a lovely bunch…

    Mickey I hope your recent dalliance with them (via Rense’s show) does not become the norm...the sooner you distance yourself from this ilk, the better.

    Posted by RzG from  on  07/06  at  02:54 AM

  17. Lloyd-- As editor of Press Action, that was my decision, not Mickey’s, to attach the cover image of the “Welcome to Terrorland” book to Mickey’s article. Even if Mickey hasn’t read the book yet, I’m not sure why you would find the placement of that image with his article so obnoxious. Posting the cover image seems like a good way to let readers know about the book in case it might be of interest to them. By the way, what’s your opinion of the crux of Mickey’s article: the racism and arrogance of U.S. policymakers leading up to the attack on Pearl Harbor and the 9/11 attacks?

    Posted by Mark Hand from  on  07/06  at  05:51 AM

  18. Yes, RzG, I was replying to Paul...and I appreicate you defending me against the “gatekeeper” tag.

    As for my “dalliance,” I don’t have any problem reaching out to all audiences. If the NY Times published an op-ed of mine, would I suddenly be a corporate shill?

    In terms of my Michael Moore “analysis,” what’s so “pedantic”? The man is bringing the disaffected into the Democratic party...and I make no apologies for attacking this pathetic reality.

    Thanks for all the feedback…

    MZ

    Posted by Mickey Z. from  on  07/06  at  07:54 AM

  19. I saw Fairenheit 9/11 and it is definitely a 116-minute John Kerry ad.

    Posted by Brandy from  on  07/06  at  12:04 PM

  20. Glad to see so much response to Mickey’s piece...which I totally support.  More importantly, however, all of the nuanced talk about the various aspects discussed above should be put aside for now.  The back forth on the “fine points” is nowhere near as important as the need for devising strategies to combat what is a system that is rotten to the core, and yet there is a severe imbalance of time devoted to the academic arguing in these and just about all “progressive” quarters.  Perhaps all of us can devote most of our thoughts --this week, say, for starters-- to what we’re going to do about this monstrosity that envelopes us.  Matters are getting worse with each passing exchange...and appear to escalate significantly once Kerry is elected.  Only the blind are still thinking that Bush will re-elected.  Even if I’m wrong about that...the escalation must be prepared for now, yes?  A fixed election and/or a particularly dramatic repeat of Dec. 7/Sept. 11 will do the trick, but...still...we are not facing our “challenge” by spending so much time on discussion disguised as “education” and electoral-related matters.  Hugs, Ox ps Still very restricted on the use of comptuer; hoping to get back to normal use before long.

    Posted by Richard Oxman from  on  07/06  at  12:31 PM

  21. Facinating article Mickey, but I must point out that Moore’s movie is not a John Kerry ad. Yes, he personally does want to get Bush out of the White House, but he states NUMEROUS times in the movie how the Democrats have miserably failed everyone, including themselves. My favorite part is when a joint session of the House and Senate are about to officially appoint Bush in 2000, and they’re asking if there are any objections. All the Black members of Congress go to the podium to challenge the election results and they only need ONE Senator to sign on with them in protest. But not one, not ONE of 100 senators would stand in objection. And Gore is standing there presiding over the Senate, telling these Congressmembers that are trying to get HIM elected that if they don’t have a Senator co-signer, that they must follow the rules and sit down! And then later he points out very clearly how the Democrats cheered Bush on in his Iraq Crusade.
    If anything, this movie, for me just reinforced my hatred of both parties and are sorry excuse for a democracy. I understand how the average American might think the right thing to do after seeing this movie is to vote for Kerry, but for thinking, progressive, revolutionary folks like you and me, I see it as a call to action, a call for drastic change. Now, I’m well aware Moore is no Revolutionary, but I do believe this is a step forward, not a call to compliance.

    Posted by Brendon Constans from  on  07/06  at  11:20 PM

  22. The system is corrupt, and I’m under no illusion that a Kerry Presidency would end US imperial adventures, but after four years of Bush, I must admit I’m amazed that some on the left still can’t see how much worse the U.S. is under Republican rule. Dems, including Kerry and Edwards, rolled over and voted for Patriot, but you wouldn’t have had nearly as odious piece of legislation with Gore as Prez… if Sept. 11 would have happened at all. There almost certainly would not have been an Iraq War, there wouldn’t have been massive tax cuts leading to record deficits, there wouldn’t have been an abandonment of Kyoto, of ABM.

    I don’t see how the Bush Admin driving the US hegemon off the cliff will in any way result in the rise of a socialist alternative, if that’s the theory.

    Posted by Zeddrick from  on  07/11  at  11:06 PM

  23. Dear Zeddrick:  If you get onto the link on my Whoopi piece above provided in the second footnote...it’ll lead you to a recent article by St. Clair on Counterpunch...and...you won’t be wondering anymore why some people on the Left paint Kerry the way they do...with many of the same colors that are on the Bush brush.  The powers that be are just itching for Kerry to get in --as has been noted often-- so that the general population will go back to sleep and let the momentum you fear...continue.  The only way it might not be “too late” is if we all work against the Kerry and Bush forces...outside of the comfy electoral box feverishly...now...with or without electoral this or that.  Best, Rich

    Posted by O'Xman from  on  07/12  at  12:40 AM

  24. Dems the good cops to the Repubs bad cops?

    Undoubtedly.

    However, four more years of the bad cop and the suspect will be dead.

    Posted by Zeddrick from  on  07/12  at  08:07 PM

  25. The “suspect” IS dead on several counts (as per Mike Davis’ DEAD CITIES, if you must have a reference), and we all must get off this dead horse which whinneys about only needing four years (w/o Bush cronies) to run a proper racetrack.  Too much gambling going on at the Collective Pari-Mutuel Track when the the track itself must be dismantled.  In plain English, we don’t have four more years.  We may not have four more months, people.  Those who think the quality of life in their neighborhoods at present --forgetting about the int’l scene, for the moment-- won’t know what I’m talking about.  The Gowans quote that Mark Hand has featured at the top of the Home Page of Press Action is worth reviewing.  Please, Richard

    Posted by O'Xman from  on  07/14  at  06:25 PM

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