Tuesday, February 15, 2005

DiscoverTheNetwork: David Horowitz's Smear Portal

By Kurt Nimmo

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  1. Isn’t Horowitz better described as an ex Stalinist rather than an ex Maoist? There is good background on this question at the Noam Chomsky entry on Wikipedia.org.

    Posted by Nick McBride from New Zealand  on  02/16  at  03:18 AM

  2. I was corrected on this. I said he was a Stalinist but was told he was a Maoist. I should probably do more research on that particular fact.

    Posted by Kurt Nimmo from  on  02/16  at  10:24 AM

  3. Maoists are Stalinist, no?  Correct me if I’m wrong, but Mao accused Kruschev of being a “revisionist” of Marx, Lenin and Stalin.

    Posted by j cummings from Canada  on  02/16  at  11:33 AM

  4. The older I become, the more I find myself questioning things that I once took for granted.  Ergo, the following question. 

    When someone labels himself as a “(surname)-ist”, does that mean that he subscribes to and/or advocates another person’s spin or take on a particular belief system?

    Thanks in advance,

    NR (NR-ist)

    Posted by Nader Rider from  on  02/16  at  12:15 PM

  5. Even Marx said he wasn’t a Marxist.  And not all people who think of themselves as Maoists think of themselves as apologists for what was inarguably a campaign of repression by Mao… I’ll call myself a Marxist when I am informed by Marx but to many people I’m not a Marxist at all because I think he was wrong about some things right about others....often the attached suffix with someone’s name means either misunderstanding of the person being “followed,” or cultish devotion.  Then you call yourself “Nader Rider.” Surely Ralph is a great man but his ideas are not all perfect.  I find that Nader and his followers are sometimes to enamored with nationalism and “American sovereignty,” sounding like Ross Perot.  It is not the argument that I have a problem with (that America’s industrial base is screwed by free trade) but what language he uses...but I’m digressing..  I always thought of that name, having worked in show biz, as calling to mind a “rider” - what a band asks for by the promoter...i.e. M&Ms, weed, booze, etc.  So when I see your nickname I always think of what is on Nader’s rider (a light meal, perhaps, and a single beer?)

    Posted by j cummings from Canada  on  02/16  at  01:23 PM

  6. Thanks for your response. JC.  While I don’t always allign with every perception of yours, I do, on the other hand, almost always find them thought-provoking.  And this one is no exception to the rule.

    My underlying purpose for the question was to encourage more people to be their own “-ist”, and to do less total subscribing to other people’s spins and takes on things.

    I’m also happy to break your apparent stereotype of some supporters of Ralph.  At the same time that I am not a Nader-ist, I am also not a supporter of nationalism (as some of my previous posts have revealed).  The value of a human life is not determined by the boundaries of a country that it finds itself in.

    And I live to ride, amongst a couple of other raison d’etres.  Motorized two wheels, that is.

    Posted by Nader Rider from  on  02/16  at  01:48 PM

  7. I tried adding myself to their database, but both their submission and contact pages are broken. What I would have sent (and still will, if I ever hear that their site actually works), is posted on my blog.

    Posted by Mike Stiber from Gainesville, FL  on  02/16  at  03:04 PM

  8. Weird how words work...."Rider" to me meant what I listed above vix what people get backstage and/or snowboarding.  I’ve never heard “rider” applied to motorcycles...what region of the States are you in?  One thing - as a non American - that I really do like about America is the variety of reigional dialects.

    Posted by j cummings from Canada  on  02/16  at  05:14 PM

  9. Also I don’t think Ralph is a nationalist.  I just think that some of his economic ideas, speciically protectionism (as opposed to Tobin Taxes and federal works and job retraining programs) in order to stave of outsourcing misunderstand global reality, because they presuppose that American capitalists would go back to hiring and investing in the States if there were barriers - and - this may seem tough for the American Left to stop supporting- he’s for farm subsidies - which the way I see it prop up big agribusiness and keep out Third World - and often organic - imports.  This all has nothing to do with my views on Nader the political candidate, of whom I would have supported.

    Posted by j cummings from Canada  on  02/16  at  05:22 PM

  10. DiscoverTheNetwork is in red and black.  It represents evil. 

    The search function is in need of some attention.

    “There is enough for everybody’s needs but not for everybody’s greed.”

    Posted by MDPB from here  on  02/16  at  05:59 PM

  11. I live in a so-called red state in the southwest that is mostly desert, JC.  It’s a great place to do Iron Butt runs (http://www.ironbutt.com/ridecerts) when I need to recharge myself.

    As for Ralph’s positions on farming (http://www.votenader.org/issues/index.php?cid=45), and like you, I don’t agree with every single position that he takes on every single issue.  But the sum total of the man deserves my fullest support, and he receives it.

    Posted by Nader Rider from  on  02/16  at  06:10 PM

  12. Horowitz sounds a lot more like Mussolini than leftists sound like Islamic fundamentalists. Do most neocons have this ex-socialist fascist type thing going on?

    Posted by Keruchi from  on  02/16  at  09:28 PM

  13. Davey originally got busted with this little project almost exactly a year ago…

    http://www.progressnow.org/weblog/archives3/permalink/000994.cfm

    now it’s got a new name. this is why:

    http://www.followthenetwork.com

    also see:

    http://www.progressnow.org/weblog/archives3/permalink/003938.cfm

    tee hee hee

    Posted by angka from  on  02/16  at  11:54 PM

  14. Noam Chomsky isn’t listed under the “academia” icon on the referenced site.  I am certain that Noam is still a full professor.

    MDPB, the wonderful quote you used really should reference the person who said it.

    I love this site.  All these fine people trying to label those “other people” is hilarious.

    peace

    Posted by Jaye from Eureka (like the vacuum)  on  02/17  at  02:10 AM

  15. The quote is credited to the Prabhupada.

    I googled it and got no results.  I made the attempt, but didn’t have any luck.  The link provided will be of some help.  A ‘devotee’ quoted it to me many years ago.

    Posted by MDPB from  on  02/17  at  10:14 AM

  16. Lenism versus Stalinism

    “Ev’rybody’s talkin’ ‘bout

    Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism

    This-ism, that-ism, ism ism ism...”—John Lennon, “Give Peace a Chance”

    That’s Lennonism, too.

    I asked my youngest son when he was in the first grade what he says when he isn’t on the school playgrounds.  He replied, “Dad, you know what I say when I’m not on the playground?”

    “What,” I asked.

    He shouted back to me, “I’m having goddamn fuckin’ fun.”

    Pretty healthy philosophy towards life at such a young age.

    Posted by MDPB from  on  02/17  at  10:24 AM

  17. Angka, thanks for the link to the news item on Horowitz’s little project. I wrote about it today, here:

    http://kurtnimmo.com/blog/index.php?p=568

    Posted by Kurt Nimmo from  on  02/17  at  12:48 PM

  18. Damn those evil recyclers,I knew they were up to something,lol.Evil in the cleverest of forms…

    Margaret Sanger is on Dave’s hit list.We can’t have women choosing when to have babies and all that now,that’s the man’s job,right Mr Horowitz?I mean after all,"we’re just girls”,how any of us gets along without daily guidance from men is a wonder,ain’t it?

    I wonder just HOW outrageous and stupid it all has to get before folks do more than yawn and stretch....

    Posted by Mom Anonymous from GA,USA  on  02/18  at  07:08 AM

  19. MDPB:

    Kudos for your son’s perceptiveness.  And kudos that you see it as a desirable perspective for your son to have.

    The fewer automatons that some of our schools create, the brighter his future will be.

    Posted by Nader Rider from  on  02/18  at  10:27 AM

  20. You can contribute to Mr.Horowitz’s ‘Center for the Study of Popular Culture and its Students for Academic Freedom Program’ at NewsMax.com.

    Of course, if you choose to donate, you will be stifling academic freedom, but who cares?  As long as Mr. Horowitz can garner a couple of more million bucks, what’s the difference?

    Giordano Bruno was convicted of heresy and burned at the stake.  He wasn’t kowtowing to any religious order and paid with his life.  You just can’t be too careful when there are heretics in the midst.

    Can any and all of this ‘stuff’ get any more beyond the pale?

    Posted by MDPB from here  on  02/18  at  12:02 PM

  21. Looks like Horowitz, best known for allegedly giving drugs to the children of the people he and his partner were writing a biography of, in order to get “dirt,” (before he became a fulltime rightwing propagandist)stole this information from this parody site http://www.probush.com - which is hilarious....and let’s be honest...the Discover the Network site is quite hilarious.  Its implications are disturbing, but its conflation of John Kerry with Abu Zarqawi with Medea Benjamin in its front page makes me laugh just thinking of it.  I don’t think that anyone, even his neocon compadres, will take it seriously.  Then again, I never knew Chip Berlet - find his entry - used to be a fan of Hoxha.

    Posted by j cummings from Canada  on  02/18  at  01:03 PM

  22. I would be laughing, JC, from the hilarity of the website… if I didn’t remind myself that most Americans believed that Saddam was directly involved with attacking the WTC.

    It’s not the website that concerns me; it’s the willingness and evidenced proclivity of the American public to buy into self-serving, constructed realites.

    Posted by Nader Rider from  on  02/18  at  01:11 PM

  23. I agree - and its even more disturbing that Horowtiz is taking advantage of them.  But the site is a paper tiger.  I don’t think of it as a threat, more a symptom.  No one is gonna take anything seriously that conflates right wing/centrist democrats with leftists with Islamic terrorists.  It makes no sense, and seems to be simply a sort of right wing situationism.

    Posted by j cummings from Canada  on  02/18  at  03:20 PM

  24. “No one is gonna take anything seriously that conflates right wing/centrist democrats with leftists with Islamic terrorists.”

    I’m not as optimistic as you are, on this score.  Sometimes, all it takes to reinforce a false reality is the conflation of two images, such as here: http://www.wtcremembered.org/ I hope you’re right, though.

    Posted by Nader Rider from  on  02/18  at  03:35 PM

  25. It’s too bad 1) I am not included in the database, and 2) if I was and rich I’d sue the bastards for defamation of character. Some people take this shit seriously, don’t find it humorous, and don’t like being compared to Abu. It’s a lawsuit waiting to happen. Let’s hope it puts Horowitz out of business.

    Posted by Kurt Nimmo from  on  02/18  at  06:43 PM

  26. Of all the people profiled on David’s site - how many - if they were forced to do it - would vote for Bush and how many for Kerry?  100% for Kerry.
    The whole bunch. 

    So they are all leftists one way or another.

    He is doing a fine job.

    Posted by david from nj  on  02/28  at  04:46 PM

  27. Syria, Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Chechnya, PLO, Hisbollah, and numerous Palestinian Arab terrorist groups constitute global Arab fascism.  This worldwide structure puts in danger entire western civilization, targets and jeopardizes everything what western countries achieved for centuries.  The primary goal of Arab fascism is completing Hitler’s objective and eliminating the State of Israel and Jews from the face of the Earth.  The broader goal of the Arab fascism is eliminating the western civilization.  In order to achieve this goal, Arabs heavily infected every western country with terrorist cells, which are wings of the global Arab fascist structure.  They are looking for opportunity to acquire weapon of mass destruction including nuclear weapon and they will not hesitate to use it against us. Do not forget that European countries supported Hitler in the 1930s, which cost the world over 50 million lives.  European countries did not learn the WWII lessons and now they are under silent occupation by Arabs who try to reshape the European countries.  Thus, a radical Arab group in England demands establishing the Shariat Law in this country.  Let us not repeat the 1930’s mistakes because with the weapons of mass destruction the number of casualties will be much higher.  The WWII lessons show that we must be proactive, destroy and eliminate all these fascist groups preemptively by any means to avoid WWIII, nuclear attack, to save our countries, our and future generations.  War on Iraq is the first step of the war on global Arab fascism.  Jews have been lived in Palestine for over 5000 years. Palestinian Arabs came there several thousand years later and since have occupied the historic Jewish land. During the WWII Palestinian Arab clerics contacted Hitler looking for help to exterminate Jews on their historic land, Palestine. Arafat (a godfather of the modern global Arab fascism and terrorism, thief), PLO, Palestinian terrorist organizations, such as Hamas, Hesbolla, Islamic Jihad, etc. have conducted ethnic cleansing against Jews for decades. Their goal has ever been eliminating the State of Israel and moving Jews to the sea.  The only way to achieve peace at the Middle East and restore the historic justice is exterminating every single member of every Palestinian Arab terrorist organization: PLO, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, Tansim, etc. UN, EU, and numerous fascist organizations: Amnesty International, Human Rights group, International Solidarity Movement, Palestinian Solidarity Movements, Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain, British Committee for Universities in Palestine which have financial support from global Arab fascism organizations and which objective is eliminating the state of Israel and exterminating Jews around the world should be put on trial through international court for providing intentionally fraudulent and fake information on Israel and Jews, promoting Arab fascism and anti-Semitism around the world.

    Posted by Mark Bernadiner from Pearland, TX  on  03/13  at  04:55 PM

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