Monday, December 06, 2004

'Reality Is a Construction...': Sander Hicks and the 9/11 Truth Movement

By Mickey Z.

Read full article...

Posted 12/06 | Add a Comment

    Comments:

    You must register to comment.

    Login | Register

  1. Great to see Mickey Z finally weighing in on 9/11. And for Sander Hicks to expand on his NYPress review of the 9/11 Commission Report, which was not only wicked, but the last word on that study in obfuscation. As when I read Hopsicker’s Welcome to Terrorland, I had trouble getting a grasp on exactly what Atta’s role was and am still not sure even after reading Sander’s statement: “. . . he was probably thinking he could play both sides and then have it blow up in our face. What he didn’t figure is his handlers were one step ahead of him.”

    Regarding issues like the explosives and was it a plane that hit the Pentagaon, perhaps it’s better to stand back from them for the time being. As I quote Michael Ruppert in my review of Crossing the Rubicon below, as a former police officer, he maintains that juries have trouble with crime scene evidence and convict more readily on the basis of a confession or ratting out. Looking forward to The Big Wedding.

    Posted by Russ Wellen from Sleepy Hollow, New York  on  12/06  at  10:24 AM

  2. We’re on wavelength Z...stay tuned it. I’ll be in touch. I’ll explain later.

    PS - do i still get credit for that phrase even if I’m not really eating meat anymore?

    Thanks Ox.

    Posted by Kap Fulton from San Diego, CA  on  12/06  at  11:25 AM

  3. So this article apparently takes line 2 of the analysis regarding 911: 1. Faulty intelligence allowed it to happen 2. Al Queda did it 3. Elements in the US gov did it. But what about the fact that no 757 could have possibly crashed into the pentagon (see the video 911 in Plane Site)? And innumerable other pieces of evidence that limited skeptics are unwilling to examine? Mickey wants this to be a case of racism in the sense of underestimating US (ie., blowback, Chalmers Johnson) opponents. Maybe, Michel Chossudovsky posits that Osama was a high level CIA asset at the time of the incident. But until the limited skeptics examine all of the evidence in more thorough detail, I will have to regard the above column as not very substantive. Also, what is this reference to anti-Semitism followed up with no explanation? The term itself in it’s modern usage is a red herring used by the Holocaust Industry to squelch rational debate.

    Posted by Rhino Rick from  on  12/06  at  06:27 PM

  4. From Chappaquiddick to New York and Washington : Through Oklahoma City
    Patrick McNally
    Format ISBN Price
    Paperback (6x9) 1418484539 $17.75
    Dust Jacket Hardcover (6x9) 1418484520 $28.50

    About the Book

    This book starts the process of tying together scattered threads, which run from the Chappaquiddick ‘accident’ up to the bombings of the Murrah Building and World Trade Towers.  Where the evidence indicates varying possibilities this is pointed out, but without blandly burying the issue of ‘what happened’ under a philosophical cover.


    About the Author

    The author’s formal academic training has been in mathematics.  As a teenager the author picked up an enthusiasm for voracious reading on the side, outside of any formal academic training, yet supplementing the latter.


    Free Preview

    This point about the “controlled demolition” pattern which was followed, not only by the North and South towers of the World Trade Center, but also identically by Building 7, which was never claimed to have been hit by any plane, is worth comparing, for example, with photos of Hamburg in July 1943.  The firestorms which hit this city were much more devastating than anything which could have been created by two jetliners crashing. Yet, even here, the pattern which shows through, from aerial and ground photos taken after the bombing, is one of long rows of building shells surviving and standing, though horribly gutted out. The claim that two American jetliners would have accomplished a more thorough leveling to the ground of three distinct Trade Tower buildings than the RAF and USAAF were able to accomplish in Hamburg is absurd.

    Posted by Patrick McNally from FL  on  12/06  at  07:39 PM

  5. Having examined the theory here, this seems the most sensible, since in my mind the plane hitting the pentagon denial was the most absurd given that someone I know and love and would not lie to me saw the plane hit the pentagon.  And yes I am familiar with crowd psychology...but I am also familiar with how adding this weak link to the theory could well have been a plant to discredit the theory itself.  I am far more impressed with this than I am with Griffin, though still a skeptic because all rational inquiry should be based on skepticism.

    Would I put it past the US government to do this?  No. But I think that it is important to be dilligent.  Too many people saw the plane hit the Pentagon for that to be part of a research corpus that gets accepted by a broad array of independent historians.  It just is implausible. 

    I am looking forward to reading this.  And Rhino, the term anti-semitism, though it has been cheapened by its over-use, is not “a red herring put forth by the holocaust industry to squelch rational debate.” Seems like you still miss the point of Finkelstien, Shahak et. al

    The point is that AntiSemitism is very real and dangerous - among US backed nationalists in the Ukraine for example, and the reason that its conceptual overuse in/re Israel, Zionism etc makes it all the more easy for people to come to the conclusion that you have come to.  I guess that when I was told as a five year old that I killed Jesus, it was just a red herring. 

    Zionism not only creates AntiSemitism, it excuses it.  Don’t do Zionism’s work by dismissing a complex historical problem, best described by Adorno as an “intellectual disease.”

    Posted by j cummings from  on  12/06  at  11:54 PM

  6. Nationalism, cultural elitism, and antisemitism… are various cloths that share a similar fiber, in my opinion.  The fiber of “we are diffrent from you.”

    Posted by Nader Rider from  on  12/07  at  12:11 AM

  7. When 9/11 happened, for me it was in the wake of Jim’s suicide. Less than two months earlier, Jim had thrown in the towel after two years of being prevented from making public a few simple, documented truths about Bush.>>>

    The woman who accused Bush of rape committed ‘suicide.’ Vincent Foster committed ‘suicide’ after setting up the meetings which led to the Oslo Accords.  The aftermath of the JFK assassination is loaded with ‘suicides.’ Simply mentioning the ‘suicide’ without commenting on other possibilities is sloppy.

    Posted by Patrick McNally from FL  on  12/07  at  12:41 AM

  8. How can a skeptical observer differentiate between the research you’re talking about and theories that involve remote-controlled planes and/or explosives pre-planted in the Pentagon or WTC?>>>

    This is grossly irresponsible.  Not only does the technology for electronic hijacking exist, but also for 3-dimensional holograms in the air.  Even if the author wished to specifically try to argue that such technology was not used for 911, to pretend that the capacity is not there is irresponsible.

    http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2000/0619/tec-3d-06-19-00.asp

    http://www.drury.edu/multinl/story.cfm?ID=7869&NLID=133

    http://www.nasatech.com/Briefs/Apr02/NPO20101.html

    http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,40264,00.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

    http://www.public-action.com/911/robotplane-ap/index.html

    http://www.public-action.com/911/itn/

    http://www.public-action.com/911/facsnet/aviation.php3

    Posted by Patrick McNally from FL  on  12/07  at  12:52 AM

  9. The Pentagon Theory and the accusations of anti-Semitism.>>>

    This is classical disinformation.  He mixes a real issue (faking a jet-plane crash using electronically guided planes and/or holographic images) with a bogus issue ("critics of 911 are anti-Semitic").  In the process, he gives the impression that those who are critical of the jet-plane thesis have been raising the flag of ‘anti-Semitism.’ Quite the opposite.  It is those like Michael Ruppert and John Judge who have pandered to the Israel lobby.

    Posted by Patrick McNally from FL  on  12/07  at  12:59 AM

  10. Al-Qaeda is a well-funded organization.>>>

    Not so.  The name “Al Qaeda” was cooked up by the CIA-MOSSAD.  No Arabs had ever used that name prior to 911.  The name itself is used to encompass a mish-mash of different Muslim factions while treating to conjure up the image of the monolithic terror conspiracy.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/articles/00000006DFED.htm

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0523/p11s02-coop.html

    Posted by Patrick McNally from FL  on  12/07  at  01:08 AM

  11. 911 video

    911 audio

    Posted by FluxRostrum from earth  on  12/07  at  02:32 AM

  12. Jordy, Of course I am against “anti-Semitism”, including the racism and war that is taking place against Semitic peoples in the Middle East, be they Jews or Muslims. I see your point, there is real anti-Semitism that is whipped up by the Zionists for their own cynical political ends. I do not mean to do their bidding. Of course, Cockburn would disagree with you: anti-Semitism is on the wane, there are now Holocaust museums strewn across the world and just in case the Germans forget, Haim Saban who owns most of German TV reminds them constantly with films about the Holocaust. But your quibble is well taken.
    However, the point I was mainly concerned with was how Sander Hicks could just throw this accusation out there with no explanation--doing the work of the ADL for them.

    As for not believing that a missile hit the pentagon, how can anyone believe anything until an actual investigation, rather than a massive cover up, is carried out? If the video 911 in Plane Site is a total fraud, I would like to hear about it.

    Posted by Rhino Rick from  on  12/07  at  02:55 AM

  13. I have a source in the Indian Army, Major General Vinood Saighal, who has published three books, in which he refers to “the Al Qaeda/Taliban/ISI combine”. But wait, Pakistan’s our ally, right?>>>

    More to the point, India is Israel’s ally and India has had a conflict with Pakistan over Kashmir for a long time.  It is irresponsible for the author to quote an Indian general like this without reminding the reader of these facts and the possibility of Indian disinformation against Pakistan receiving a friendly reception in the Zionist mmedia.

    Posted by Patrick McNally from FL  on  12/07  at  03:27 AM

  14. First of all, if Cockburn is still a radical, I dont’ see how he has the grounds to disagree with me (as in radicals don’t stop being against something when it seems to dissipate, and further 20 years or so in which anti-semitism has dissipated is a very short time in a history of at least one holocaust or expulsion a century for three thousand years.) Further, your comments even in the face of my quibble are gratuitous and miss the point even further.

    Of course Haim Saban owns a lot of networks, so that must mean that Germans are only no longer Anti-Semites because of him, not because they learned the lesson that America must learn, that using race and hubris to build a false new order will lead to doom.  Germans are both Anti Israel and very Philo-Semitic, because they have learned history’s lessons.  And what is wrong with holocaust museums?  Would it be better to not learn the ultimate example of capitalist brutality?

    The way you miss the point is that even if Judeophobia (really a better term, because Semites are not just Jews) is whipped up, it doesn’t excuse the people who are whipped up by it.  Its like saying Lyndie England is innocent because she was following orders.  Or Israeli helicopter pilots for that matter.  Just because a general told the pilot to fire doesn’t mean the pilot needs to catch the bait.

    By making repeated and gratuitous references to trivial matters, especially in circles sophisticated enough to move beyond cant, is simply offensive, and if you haven’t missed the point, you are Judeophobic, a victim of whats been whipped up, as it were.

    Posted by j cummings from  on  12/07  at  04:58 AM

  15. what is wrong with holocaust museums?>>>

    Gas Chamber Door Fraudulently Portrayed at U.S. Holocaust Museum

    Visitors at the recently opened US Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC, will find on display a casting of a door of a supposed extermination gas chamber. This artifact is presented as graphic evidence of the chemical slaughterhouses supposedly used by the Germans to systematically exterminate masses of Jews during the Second World War.

    According to the March 1990 issue of the Museum’s official Newsletter, this is “a casting of the door that sealed one of the gas chambers at the Majdanek killing center in Poland.” This door is also shown in The World Must Know: The History of the Holocaust as Told in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, a book by Museum official Michael Berenbaum. A photograph of it appears on page 138 (reproduced here) along with a caption describing it as “a casting of the door to the gas chamber at Majdanek ... from the outside, SS guards could observe the killing through a small peephole.”

    French anti-Revisionist researcher Jean-Claude Pressac reports on this door in his 563-page book, Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers (published in 1989 by “Nazi hunters” Serge and Beate Klarsfeld). He provides a photograph of the building in the Majdanek camp, including the door from which the Holocaust Museum casting was made.

    As Pressac correctly notes, this door did indeed close on a gas chamber at Majdanek. However, as he concedes (on pages 555 and 557 of his book), this was a delousing chamber used to disinfest clothing. The only living things killed in this gas chamber were lice.

    The fraud of the US Holocaust Museum in presenting this “gas chamber” door was pointed out by Journal editor Mark Weber in his speech in suburban Washington, DC, on April 21, and by IHR editorial advisor Dr. Robert Faurisson in the July-August Journal (pages 14-17).

    Posted by Patrick McNally from FL  on  12/07  at  07:27 AM

  16. there well could have been explosives planted, it doesn’t mean the Federal Government was complicit, though. Whoever pulled off 9/11 could have planted them.>>>

    That’s a slick misleading device.  It’s true enough that most of those in Washington ("Federal Government") probably had only a vague of what was going on and simply followed orders (something which goes with saying in the case of a half-wit like Bush).  But the planting of bombs in the WTC on every level buildings shows a major insider-operation which requires high-level connections with every level of both government and finance in the US.  That in itself strongly suggests Israel as the natural place to look and throws significant cold water on the ‘Arabs did it’ thesis.  The most clever Arab terrorist simply does not have the relevant connections to all the key places to be a likely prime suspect.

    Posted by Patrick McNally from FL  on  12/07  at  08:55 AM

  17. IHR is a holocaust denial outfit.  Your statements are misleading and disgusting and discredit you.

    Nazi swine #### off.

    Posted by j cummings from  on  12/07  at  03:33 PM

  18. I know every self respecting radical, including PA editor Mark Hand, hell and even Richard Oxman agree with me…

    Allowing Nazis here is bad for all of us.  It is Sharon’s best weapon.  Perhaps erasing Mr. McNally’s comments will make that understood?

    This McNally guy probably think we are Satanic Bolshevik Jews (in fact to the extent of a Gnostic understanding of Set, I am a Satanic Bolshevik Jew, but I’m not a Zionist) conspiring to cover up for the slaughter of Christian babies.  His type needs electro-shock.

    Posted by j cummings from  on  12/07  at  03:40 PM

  19. Jordy,

    I banned McNally from posting comments on Press Action. We’ll see if the folks who complained about my temporary banning of Richard Oxman complain about this. Will Rhino Rick defend letting McNally post comments on Press Action?

    Also, I banned this Adam Scavone character who commented on Mickey Z.’s “Ricky Williams and Pat Tillman” article. In case you didn’t catch it, Scavone, a graduate student in the Department of Sociomedical Sciences at the Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University ( ) and purported libertarian, wrote:

    “I was going to say that someone should cut off your head and shit down your throat, Mickey Z, but then you wouldn’t get to taste it. You’re a piece of shit loser if you really think Ricky Williams is a hero and that Tillman should be eternally shamed for killing ‘brown’ people who are hell-bent on world domination. When is the last time an American political leader stood up and said, ‘DEATH TO THE MIDDLE EAST!’? Your moral relativism is fucking disgusting. Have you been sucking Ted Rall’s cock?”

    Not cool. But maybe those who complained about Oxman’s temporary banning won’t like my decision to keep Scavone from spreading his filth on this site. We’ll see.

    Posted by Mark Hand from  on  12/07  at  03:50 PM

  20. See what Ox says about this....Oxman’s piece on Dylan at Counterpunch, on that matter, totally misses the point of Dylan’s public persona, replete with contradictions. 

    Its the music, dude.  And the lyrics.  Not the weirdo with the penciled on mustache and the open admission that he’s not (my fave quote) “A drunk, a catholic or a Zionist.” Also he claimed like a little boy that he could no longer write songs, when he has written some excellent songs over the last three years.  The story was more about Ed Bradley getting to interview his hero than Dylan.  You wnat to know about Dylan?  He’s a very regular guy, quiet as hell, likes to talk about sports and movies.  Doesn’t drink any more. I met him and spoke to him this past spring after the Toronto shows.  He happened to go to the huge antiwar march incognito, and told me and some friends it was his first since 1966.  He also revived Masters of War specifically because of Bushs actions.

    Ron Jacobs, in his review of Dylan’s wonderful memoir at Cpunch makes it clear that Dylan, like Goddard, retained his politics but had to steer clear of being thought of as a leader.

    It is no wonder that authoritarians who themselves want to be leaders still complain that Dylan is not a formal leader.  As Zimmy says “don’t follow leaders, watch the parking meter.” The Weather Underground, named for a Dylan song, didn’t need Dylan to be in person to lead the revolution, nor did the South African Anti-Apartheid activists or Czech anti-Stalinists, all of whom Dylan has been an inspiration to for forty years, I dare say the Whitman of the postmodern era.

    But Ox seems to be not a fan, and so he doesn’t get the intentionally contradictory persona Dylan (like Prince, other enigmatic musicians) put out there to distract those who prefer celebrity to talent.  To claim that Dylan “never cared” is to miss the point.  Even if, as Joan Baez once said, Dylan wrote When the Ship Comes In because his room service was late.  It matters that WTSCI is one of the best lyrics ever written, and radical.  Complaining about Dylan’s persona is comparable to stating that Marx betrayed Marxism by making money on the London Stock Market.  Dylan is as important as Marx, one of the dozens of prophets that are greater than their detractors.

    Posted by j cummings from  on  12/07  at  04:16 PM

  21. Hey, even Chomsky defended Faurisson’s right to free speech. If folks don’t agree with Mr. McNally’s more controversial claims, he did raise many holes in the arguments of the original posting, which will never likely be answered. As to Jordy, your half truths and constant misrepresentations and misinterpretations and sophistry are tiresome.  The main point is I think, and it is not trivial, we have a Zionist media and a Zionist influenced government which took us to a war in Iraq, for what purpose? As that notorious “Judeaophobe” Ralph Nader noted, the Isreali government puppeteer regularly visits its puppets in the US congress to make sure they understand this month’s agenda. As for “capitalism’s” evil role in the world, let us not forget who designed corporate restructuring for Japan (in order to destroy people’s lives here): Alan Greenspan. For a deeper understanding of this topic I highly recommend the works of Israel Shamir which are available at his website. Now, let’s see if I get banned for my opinions or not at this “left wing” website, the tension is killing me…

    Posted by Rhino Rick from  on  12/07  at  06:21 PM

  22. Mark,

    Perhaps the policy should be to block out posts that use severely foul language to avoid the more disgusting posts. Note that McNally did not use any foul language, whereas Jordy and others (myself included from time to time but I could clean up my act) did. If we can’t deal with content that is incongruous to our beliefs that shows a real weakness to understand reality. If people are offended by it they can ignore it. I agree though that disgusting language and hate filled threats about killing people should probably be banned.

    Posted by Rhino Rick from  on  12/07  at  06:37 PM

  23. Referring to the IHR as a valid historical source is quite foul.

    Posted by j cummings from  on  12/07  at  07:18 PM

  24. I don’t think we should ban foul language, per se.  As Mark Twain had Tom Sawyer say, the three best things in life are swearing, smoking and skipping school.  I suppose there is a line somewhere.  I’m not sure where it is.  I didn’t follow the supposed anti-Semitism of McNally above, I suppose, because I didn’t completely read his posts.

    Posted by Tracy McLellan from  on  12/07  at  07:25 PM

  25. world, let us not forget who designed corporate restructuring for Japan (in order to destroy people’s lives here): Alan Greenspan.

    Yeah, Alan, the is representative of Jewish people.  Perhaps without Greenspan, Japan would be a socialist paradise.

    Rhino, you’ve said some smart things, but that is just foul.  Why do you insist on pointing things like that out, if not for a general, perverse hatred of Jewish people, whether Chomsky or Greenspan.  I can only assume you are critical of Nader because he calls for talks with Jewish peace activists.

    And I have it on good authority that Chomsky never intended his principled defense of Faurisson (whose views he derides as ludicrous) to be the introduction to his book.  I personally think Chomsky made a mistake on that one, but hardly the quality that you’re making here.

    Posted by j cummings from  on  12/07  at  07:33 PM

  26. Since “reality is a construction” is in the header of this thread, permit me to tangentially recommend a movie that deals with the construct of reality:

    http://www.whatthebleep.com/

    I HIGHLY recommend it.

    Posted by Nader Rider from  on  12/10  at  08:32 PM

  27. Rhino Rick>....For a deeper understanding of this topic I highly recommend the works of Israel Shamir which are available at his website.

    Far right loon. See this Palestinian solidarity website’s compilation of articles. First piece, by Ali Abunimah & Hussein Ibish

    E-mail: SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT ISRAEL SHAMIR
    Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:53:12 -0500
    Title: SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT ISRAEL SHAMIR

    TEXT:

    SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT ISRAEL SHAMIR

    From Ali Abunimah & Hussein Ibish (acting solely in his private capacity)

    Posted by Michael Pugliese from  on  12/12  at  01:52 AM
    28. Commenting is not available in this weblog entry. {/if}

    Next entry: A Holiday Wish List

    Previous entry: Fueling a Profitable Future: 9/11 and U.S. Energy Policy

    [ads]

    Support Press Action